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Re: High school boots praying football coach

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:17 am
by edwardmurphy
B. W. wrote:Regarding friend lives on Reservation, Mrs J works for Catholic group home for battered women/sex assault. She, Mrs J is a supervisor there. Two of her staff practice Native Religion. They told her about a ceremony and they claimed she made a disgusting face that she was creating religious discrimination by making a face. Mrs J was later pulled into her bosses office with the other and asked about it. Mrs J made it clear that the face she made was over the fact these two, which they admitted to practicing regularly, eating puppy soup as part of the ceremony to have their prayers answered. That was why she made the face. Mrs J is also Native American... as staff is too.
So is it possible that by revealing open disgust Mrs J made the women feel uncomfortable? And is it possible that some of the women who might come to the home are also practitioners of that native religion, and that they would also feel uncomfortable if they knew that Mrs J felt that their religion was disgusting? As a social worker, would you say that it's a good idea to pass judgement on women who come to you to escape physical and sexual assault?
B. W. wrote:Ed do you eat puppies? Do you find that revolting?
No, B.W., I don't. Although considering how many we put down every year maybe I should. Not that any of that, including your question, is at all relevant to this discussion.
B. W. wrote:Today Mrs J was asked to apologize to the two puppy eaters. Her email response to her Catholic Boss was simple and too the Point:

That after considering the situation, I came to the conclusion that I cannot in good conscience apologize for what I believe in. Nor do I apologize for my belief in God and His Son Jesus Christ. Whom by the way was our sacrifice so we do not have to sacrifice innocent puppies just to our prayers answered. I will take the reprimand or whatever it is you have to do... Signed Mrs J
Sounds to me like Mrs J is a self-righteous moron, to be perfectly honest. I didn't see anything in what you wrote attacking Jesus, or God, or Catholicism, so bringing it up was pointless. What I saw was Mrs J being told that she has to be respectful to her staff, regardless of whether or not she agrees with their religion. The fact that she's using a self-righteous speech about how her own beliefs are under attack to justify her overt judgement of other peoples' beliefs is just icing on the cake.
B. W. wrote:Next your comment about citing the law proves again my point that liberals make laws to use to hide their agenda - extermination of Christianity altogether. Before that law was ever made, people prayed in schools and taught faith in schools so were thy wrong doing that before the law to ban prayer?? Cross??? Christian Religious expression???
Here's a link for you. The first two paragraphs answer your question.
B. W. wrote:Why do you hate Christianity so much?
I've answered this question about 17 times. Here it is again.

I have never said that I hate Christianity, and I won't because I don't. I don't wish to see Christianity, or any other religion, banned here or anywhere. In that regard I think I'm a good deal more open-minded about religion than you are, which strikes me as kind of sad.

That said, I strongly object to having public policy in my country dictated by Christianity, or by any other religion. That doesn't mean that you don't have the right to try - you do - but I want you to lose. I want our government to be 100% secular. I want religion to be a personal issue, not a public one. I don't want any religion to have special status or privileges in this country.

Got it?

Re: High school boots praying football coach

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:39 am
by Storyteller
Just read through this thread.... a few thoughts....

Prayer, for me, is a personal thing. I don`t even like praying in church and I feel uncomfortable praying with other people so I wouldn`t have prayed with the football coach.
I`m not sure I would take my religion to my job, I prefer the more softly, softly approach.

I may not agree with someone`s religious stance but I would defend their right to believe it.

The puupy lady? I`d have probably made the same sort of face, apologised to the women and maybe even explained why I felt like I did.

Why, oh why, do some (and I stress the some) Christians take things so personally?

Personally, I think atheists and people from other religions are more likely to be swayed by a sensible, rational argument, one where both parties aren`t afraid to admit they may be wrong and why, oh why, oh why are some Christians so damn self righteous? It`s like we`re saying we`re invincible because of our faith, that we can`t be wrong because we have God on our side.

Sorry, my thoughts are straying....