Evidence for God from Science

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Hey,

This is a Christian website! Not a lesbian dating site!

Now cut out the bs, and get back in your respective kitchens, before I tell your husbands what you're plotting!

Paul I was being facetious and a perhaps a little silly.
But you have brought up some interesting ideas.
That's just bloody cruel.
You are born genetically that way, but u don't dare act on it.
Resist those impulses even though gentically you are have been given the shiitest hand because through no fault of your own this is your preferred attraction but it's an abomination.

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melanie wrote:Hahaha


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If Storyteller and I dissapear for awhile we are into the sunset

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Hey! Can nessa come too?

The more the merrier

mel?

Just take it as a given that, today, I am liking your posts. You are on fire today, girl!

It does seem a bit harsh to create a being that has these feelings and urges whilst condemning them if they act on it. So, dare all gay people condemned to not have love? Or can they love as long as they don`t engage in sexual activity?

I get the whole natural law thing, I get that we choose whether to act on our feelings but that means there will be an awful lot of lonely people out there, just because they were born that way?

I love God, trust God so He must know what He is doing but with things like this, it`s hard sometimes.

My neighbours are openly gay, they are the sweetest, kindest, most tolerant, forgiving couple I know yet they are damned? For wanting love? I suppose you could argue that they can receive the love of God but sex is an important part of life, and they can`t participate?
This is all coming out in a jumble....

melanie wrote:

Storyteller wrote:

melanie wrote:Hahaha


Disclaimer:
If Storyteller and I dissapear for awhile we are into the sunset

*Eagerly awaits sunset*

Hey! Can nessa come too?

The more the merrier

Group sex now?

You are leading me astray! Begone, you devil!







and just for clarification purposes, this is all just banter. I hope.

melanie wrote:Paul I was being facetious and a perhaps a little silly.
But you have brought up some interesting ideas.
That's just bloody cruel.
You are born genetically that way, but u don't dare act on it.
Resist those impulses even though gentically you are have been given the shiitest hand because through no fault of your own this is your preferred attraction but it's an abomination.

Annette this was directed at Paul not you.
I like banter a lot!,,
I value humour and lightheartedness.
I know we talk about an issue that is very personal to many of us.
Myself included.
Because I know and love people who are gay.
I'm not excuses their behaviour but I'm not excuses my love either

Storyteller wrote:

melanie wrote:

Storyteller wrote:

melanie wrote:Hahaha


Disclaimer:
If Storyteller and I dissapear for awhile we are into the sunset

*Eagerly awaits sunset*

Hey! Can nessa come too?

The more the merrier

Group sex now?

You are leading me astray! Begone, you devil!







and just for clarification purposes, this is all just banter. I hope.

Haha of course, just to make that clear

melanie wrote:

melanie wrote:Paul I was being facetious and a perhaps a little silly.
But you have brought up some interesting ideas.
That's just bloody cruel.
You are born genetically that way, but u don't dare act on it.
Resist those impulses even though gentically you are have been given the shiitest hand because through no fault of your own this is your preferred attraction but it's an abomination.

Annette this was directed at Paul not you.
I like banter a lot!,,
I value humour and lightheartedness.
I know we talk about an issue that is very personal to many of us.
Myself included.
Because I know and love people who are gay.
I'm not excuses their behaviour but I'm not excuses my love either

I know

It really is hard isn`t it? Especially when some of the most "Christian" people I know are gay.

Wanna know a secret?

I get angry, really mad at God over things like this sometimes. Sure, I know He has a reason, He knows what He is doing but seriously? Someone who, in acts, deeds and words is a shining example of all that is good apart from their sexual orientation is doomed?
If you`re gay and Christian you have to deny yourself sex, in a loving, solid relationship? I get that in the eyes of God it is wrong but oh my, it sems a real heavy cross to carry.

Storyteller wrote:mel?

Just take it as a given that, today, I am liking your posts. You are on fire today, girl!

1)It does seem a bit harsh to create a being that has these feelings and urges whilst condemning them if they act on it. So, dare all gay people condemned to not have love? Or can they love as long as they don`t engage in sexual activity?

2)I get the whole natural law thing, I get that we choose whether to act on our feelings but that means there will be an awful lot of lonely people out there, just because they were born that way?

3)I love God, trust God so He must know what He is doing but with things like this, it`s hard sometimes.

4)My neighbours are openly gay, they are the sweetest, kindest, most tolerant, forgiving couple I know yet they are damned? For wanting love? I suppose you could argue that they can receive the love of God but sex is an important part of life, and they can`t participate?
This is all coming out in a jumble....

Annette,

I numbered your points above, so I can respond to each.

1) nobody is condemned because they are gay. Being gay is not an unforgivable sin. And neither is any sexual sin. The point about gays not being able to have love, is just an emotional argument. We mean Christians and our cruel God are keeping gays from being able to love?

2) whether or not someone is born with a desire to have sex with someone of the same gender, doesn't matter, because we are talking about the sexual sin that is wrong. There's evidence that people are genetically predisposed to alcoholism. Should we just allow them to act on their genes, even though they will experience a whole lot of pain, and cause a whole lot of pain to others, if they act on their desire to drink alcohol? Or should we encourage them to resist their harmful desires?

3) yes, nobody wants to be the one telling people they can't love who they choose.

4) again, nobody is damned because they are gay.

Do you know in some cultures, that grown men having sex with boys(some teens, some preteens) is completely acceptable? And some of the boys even consent to this.

Who are we to tell them how they can or can't love who they want, right?

It is a heavy cross to bear.
And to be honest I don't have the answers.
But what I know is this....
Sexual dysfunction comes in many shades.
Lust, pornography, adultery, in thought and deed, dysfunctional sexual expression, greed in gratification, the list gets lower and harder to define.
But through it all Jesus sacrificed Himself
I'm not so sure whilst those that condemn others for wrong sexual desires don't themselves have things have remain unseen to everybody but God

I find it pretty hard to imagine how differently I'd see things if I wasn't a Christian, but in this case I think I'd be (by now, anyway, given the apparent growing public acceptance of gay lifestyles) fairly well on the pro side. I think I'd be easily convinced that they weren't hurting anyone and it was all OK.

In the past I actually argued basically on the pro-gay side with a non-Christian colleague who was quite old-fashioned and thought the great majority of people still had the same very anti-homosexual views as him. I said to him something like, 'I disagree with it because I'm a Christian, but what reason do you have?' which was pretty silly really.

My issue remains that while popular Christian culture detests and is so verbally against homosexuality Our own culture is Stained with sexual immorality and sin.
My issue doesn't stand with sexual misconduct in general, but our pretensity to place blame on others when we pull ourselves bare the sexual misconduct of ourselves is just as shamefull. But if we have a scapegoat to point our fingers at as being so sexually disordered, we don't have to wear the dysfunction that lies within ourselves.
We know the Truth.
Deep down
That is why we spend so much time pointing the finger at others, because we sure as buggery don't want that rod pointed directly at us, because we would fail

melanie wrote:My issue remains that while popular Christian culture detests and is so verbally against homosexuality Our own culture is Stained with sexual immorality and sin.
My issue doesn't stand with sexual misconduct in general, but our pretensity to place blame on others when we pull ourselves bare the sexual misconduct of ourselves is just as shamefull. But if we have a scapegoat to point our fingers at as being so sexually disordered, we don't have to wear the dysfunction that lies within ourselves.
We know the Truth.
Deep down
That is why we spend so much time pointing the finger at others, because we sure as buggery don't want that rod pointed directly at us, because we would fail

Or,

We realize sin is sin, whether we commit it, or someone else.

melanie wrote:Paul I was being facetious and a perhaps a little silly.
But you have brought up some interesting ideas.
That's just bloody cruel.
You are born genetically that way, but u don't dare act on it.
Resist those impulses even though gentically you are have been given the shiitest hand because through no fault of your own this is your preferred attraction but it's an abomination.

It is no greater sin or burden than being born any other way that is not ideal for us.
Being born with violent tendencies and NOT acting on them.
Being born with sexual attraction to children and not acting on them.
Being born with the desire to steal and not acting upon them.
I can go on the you get the point.
WE have made it seem to be a far greater burden than it truly is.
Being sexually attracted to something that is NOT good for us and not acting on those impulses is just like wanting to do anything else that you know to be wrong (ie: not good for you) for you and not doing it.

Being born gay is like being born with any other issue that is not ideal, not good for you.
Be it the desire to steal, hurt others, hurt self, lie, etc, etc.