Evidence for God from Science

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Trump will be one of the greatest President's we've ever had even if he gets only half of what he's running on and things Will be turned around and instead of liberals ruling and having their way the right will rule.Liberalism has had its run,but it is over.there are still too many people God wants to reach before the rapture and the only way this can happen is for God to turn things around enough so that Christians are not so constrained like they are now.You want to talk about a revival that many have predicted for years? We could not have one in the climate we now live in. Think about the latter rain.

I know it is hard to believe because we are so use to the status quo but there are signs all around for this change coming and it will be good for the church too.

So, God can only reach people if Republicans are in power.

Got it. For a minute, I thought you were saying something crazy. Thank God that's cleared up!

I did not say that.nor believe that people are reached in terrible conditions. But there is a change coming and it will benefit the church too.Liberalism is going down and the Republican party too. This is not about Republican or Democrat anymore,we are transcending that but not in the way we thought.

abelcainsbrother wrote:

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Trump will be one of the greatest President's we've ever had even if he gets only half of what he's running on and things Will be turned around and instead of liberals ruling and having their way the right will rule.Liberalism has had its run,but it is over.there are still too many people God wants to reach before the rapture and the only way this can happen is for God to turn things around enough so that Christians are not so constrained like they are now.You want to talk about a revival that many have predicted for years? We could not have one in the climate we now live in. Think about the latter rain.

I know it is hard to believe because we are so use to the status quo but there are signs all around for this change coming and it will be good for the church too.

I would rather have had Bernie Sanders to be honest, here's why: it's better for cracked eggs to break sooner rather than later. That cracked egg is us, and Sanders is the incompetent chef.

Hillary is a parasite, and it's not in the nature of parasites to kill their hosts. She'd just drag out the misery, while Sanders would have put us out of it.

I believe a hard reset is necessary. No amount of conservative principles or free market values will save this country. We need to scrap it and start over using the blueprints the founders gave us coupled with the guidance of God's teachings, though the founders had such a close relationship anyway that it's hard to have one without the other.

But we'll be fine in the end. The ash of fires gives way to fertile soil.

Hortator wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

RickD wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Trump will be one of the greatest President's we've ever had even if he gets only half of what he's running on and things Will be turned around and instead of liberals ruling and having their way the right will rule.Liberalism has had its run,but it is over.there are still too many people God wants to reach before the rapture and the only way this can happen is for God to turn things around enough so that Christians are not so constrained like they are now.You want to talk about a revival that many have predicted for years? We could not have one in the climate we now live in. Think about the latter rain.

I know it is hard to believe because we are so use to the status quo but there are signs all around for this change coming and it will be good for the church too.

I would rather have had Bernie Sanders to be honest, here's why: it's better for cracked eggs to break sooner rather than later. That cracked egg is us, and Sanders is the incompetent chef.

Hillary is a parasite, and it's not in the nature of parasites to kill their hosts. She'd just drag out the misery, while Sanders would have put us out of it.

I believe a hard reset is necessary. No amount of conservative principles or free market values will save this country. We need to scrap it and start over using the blueprints the founders gave us coupled with the guidance of God's teachings, though the founders had such a close relationship anyway that it's hard to have one without the other.

But we'll be fine in the end. The ash of fires gives way to fertile soil.

Well Sanders offered pure socialism which is about the government taking 90% of taxes to give free stuff and take care of everybody. I'm just saying change is coming and politics as usual is changing and it will benefit the church also. I see the signs and most Americans are fed up with current politics,it has gone on for far too long but change is coming. I do believe liberalism is going down and the Republican Party as we've known it will either be destroyed or their focus will change. I also believe because of Trump this will open up chances for other parties to win,not just Republican or Democrat like before.

Uh, so now Able is tying Trump to the Rapture???!!! One of the greatest presidents ever - wow Abe, when you drink Koolaid, you apparently chug it!

Really, I can understand someone being excited about their candidate, but if you're looking for a POLITICAL savior that is going to "make America great again," I got news for you: Until the collective hearts and minds of Americans adopt Godly values and sensibilities, that ain't gonna happen! And NO president will EVER change that. Having an expectation that politics is the route to a better America - well, that's really, at best, only EVER going to facilitate a temporary, cosmetic change, however positive the influence of a good leader - of ANY good leader. Because a person of great courage, intellect, great ideas, and just tremendous common sense must have enough people with the same positive attributes, and must exist in sufficient numbers to truly bring about change. Right now, a huge percentage of Americans are on a terrible moral and spiritual track, and political maneuvering and influence just cannot TRULY change that. And to have such high hope for a political changing of the guard, well, that's almost sick thinking - at least for Christians.

And as for Able's contention that the Church will benefit from a political change, well, the first century church thrived under the yoke of the surrounding Judaism and barbaric Roman rule. So, the church doesn't need Donald Trump to thrive. ALL it needs are People of faith looking in obedience to the Lord!

I really believe it is because of the tea party that Sara Palin helped to build and years later it is behind the Trump tidal wave. Nobody thinks about the tea party any more and thinks it fizzled out but because of it Republicans were given control of both the House and Senate and then they watched as Republicans just used them to get to Washington and did not fulfill their promises but became just like Democrats or Democrat-light and it infuriated them and Trump just so happen to have ran at the right time and he just has tapped into this frustration. This is my own political feelings and is original.

Philip, Rick don't you see that Trump is the second coming? He'll wipe away every tear and there will be no more death, pain and suffering...

Philip wrote:And as for Able's contention that the Church will benefit from a political change, well, the first century church thrived under the yoke of the surrounding Judaism and barbaric Roman rule. So, the church doesn't need Donald Trump to thrive. ALL it needs are People of faith looking in obedience to the Lord!

I don't think its fair to put words in my mouth that I never meant or said. I acknowledged that people can be reached in terrible conditions.But I was talking about a revival that Christians have been talking about for years and how I think the climate we live in constricts it and by things changing it will benefit the church too.It was not meant to imply it can stop God's power,etc. I think it was a misunderstanding.

Kurieuo wrote:Philip, Rick don't you see that Trump is the second coming? He'll wipe away every tear and there will be no more death, pain and suffering...

I never said that and do not believe it I'm talking about a change in politics for the better.As you know this is political season so this is the time to talk politics and I'm giving my political views and opinions. It was Obama that was compared to a Messiah,not Trump. Trump is just a political roadway to better politics that benefits us.

abelcainsbrother wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Philip, Rick don't you see that Trump is the second coming? He'll wipe away every tear and there will be no more death, pain and suffering...

I never said that and do not believe it I'm talking about a change in politics for the better.As you know this is political season so this is the time to talk politics and I'm giving my political views and opinions. It was Obama that was compared to a Messiah,not Trump. Trump is just a political roadway to better politics that benefits us.

But, Obama being compared to the Messiah just adds weight to your argument.
The anti-Christ would deceive many, and comes before Christ's second return... so now we've had the anti-Christ (Obama), the second coming will be had in Trump when he becomes "king" everyone will be happy and there will be peace.

Kurieuo wrote:Philip, Rick don't you see that Trump is the second coming? He'll wipe away every tear and there will be no more death, pain and suffering...

Apparently to some, he's the second coming of Reagan.

And to others, he's the second coming of Hitler.

Philip wrote:Uh, so now Able is tying Trump to the Rapture???!!! One of the greatest presidents ever - wow Abe, when you drink Koolaid, you apparently chug it!

Really, I can understand someone being excited about their candidate, but if you're looking for a POLITICAL savior that is going to "make America great again," I got news for you: Until the collective hearts and minds of Americans adopt Godly values and sensibilities, that ain't gonna happen! And NO president will EVER change that. Having an expectation that politics is the route to a better America - well, that's really, at best, only EVER going to facilitate a temporary, cosmetic change, however positive the influence of a good leader - of ANY good leader. Because a person of great courage, intellect, great ideas, and just tremendous common sense must have enough people with the same positive attributes, and must exist in sufficient numbers to truly bring about change. Right now, a huge percentage of Americans are on a terrible moral and spiritual track, and political maneuvering and influence just cannot TRULY change that. And to have such high hope for a political changing of the guard, well, that's almost sick thinking - at least for Christians.

It matters who rules a country.I agree with a lot of the points you brought up but I think you're downplaying the importance of who our leader is and of course it is God who puts up our kings and rulers and from history we know that it matters who our leaders are and I think you underestimate the impact a leader can have on its people.It can be positive or negative.If I was drinking Trump kool-aid? I'd be saying that Trump will be able to do everything he's running on,which I did not say.

I do think Trump will be a great President and I don't see how thinking this makes people think I worship him as God which I do not do. I just think he's going to be a great President and politics is changing for the better. I think in some aspects things might get worse before it gets better and I have talked about it before.I think you are just are a little sceptical about the impact Trump can make. I think you think that we are only going to get more of the same status quo and you could be right,but I see too many signs that tells me differently.I've kinda sat back and just watched without really stating what I see coming but now I am.

Kurieuo wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Philip, Rick don't you see that Trump is the second coming? He'll wipe away every tear and there will be no more death, pain and suffering...

I never said that and do not believe it I'm talking about a change in politics for the better.As you know this is political season so this is the time to talk politics and I'm giving my political views and opinions. It was Obama that was compared to a Messiah,not Trump. Trump is just a political roadway to better politics that benefits us.

But, Obama being compared to the Messiah just adds weight to your argument.
The anti-Christ would deceive many, and comes before Christ's second return... so now we've had the anti-Christ (Obama), the second coming will be had in Trump when he becomes "king" everyone will be happy and there will be peace.

Well I do believe we are in the last days but I don't believe the rapture is as close as a lot of people do. I think there are more prophecies that need to be fulfilled first that get overlooked.I do get the impression from some of the comments and things I heard and read that would make a person think they see Trump as some kind of God. But I think it is just excitement.But there might be people that do,but it is not I.

The Simpsons prophecied long ago that Trump would be president.

Kurieuo wrote:The Simpsons prophecied long ago that Trump would be president.

Well, they're wrong. Ted Cruz's father's prophecy. Have you forgotten?

God literally told Ted's father that Ted will be the next president. The Simpsons are cartoons. God can't speak to cartoons. That's like God speaking to a square triangle.