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Re: Flat Earth - Bad Science, Bad Theology

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:52 am
by DBowling
Stu wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:31 am The camera they used was the EPIC 4MP with CCD sensor with an 11-inch telescopic lens.
Don't you really think that would be sufficient enough to zoom that far in from 1,000,000 miles away?
Source please
No those two pictures of earth are not the same picture, the blue of the ocean is different, only the clouds are the same.
Of course its the same picture...
The only difference is the color shading
Yet even after seeing that NASA outright LIES about the photographs they put out you still are willing to believe every photo they put out?? They faked those photos yet you don't even bat an eyelid. Amazing. They copy and pasted the clouds :lol:
Two things
1. We're not talking about a handful of pictures from NASA here. Were talking about thousands of pictures and videos from multiple countries and multiple sources. And eyewitness accounts from multiple countries and multiple sources.
2. The only "lies" I see perpetuated in this thread are not from NASA. The torrent of lies are coming from the flat earthers.

Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:52 am
by RickD
stu wrote:
The sun is travelling through space at 450,000 mph and NEVER returns to the same spot ever, it is flying though endless space dragging along all the other "planets". It never completes a circuit. It is impossible for the sun to complete a circuit.

On the flat earth model however it does complete a circuit... isn't it amazing that every time the Bible supposedly speaks in metaphors or actually equals with what reality is it is on the flat earth model. Surprising that huh????
Now that’s science!
:shock:

Re: Does the Bible Claim the Earth is Flat

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:58 am
by DBowling
Stu wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:46 am The sun is travelling through space at 450,000 mph and NEVER returns to the same spot ever,
In relation to any spot on earth... sure it does
Maybe if you live on a different planet it doesn't.

But where I live in Michigan it does.
And where David lived in Jerusalem, it does too.

Again David is correct.
Again you are wrong.

Re: Flat Earth - Bad Science, Bad Theology

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:13 am
by Stu
DBowling wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:52 am
Stu wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:31 am The camera they used was the EPIC 4MP with CCD sensor with an 11-inch telescopic lens.
Don't you really think that would be sufficient enough to zoom that far in from 1,000,000 miles away?
Source please
No those two pictures of earth are not the same picture, the blue of the ocean is different, only the clouds are the same.
Of course its the same picture...
The only difference is the color shading
Yet even after seeing that NASA outright LIES about the photographs they put out you still are willing to believe every photo they put out?? They faked those photos yet you don't even bat an eyelid. Amazing. They copy and pasted the clouds :lol:
Two things
1. We're not talking about a handful of pictures from NASA here. Were talking about thousands of pictures and videos from multiple countries and multiple sources. And eyewitness accounts from multiple countries and multiple sources.
2. The only "lies" I see perpetuated in this thread are not from NASA. The torrent of lies are coming from the flat earthers.
Either way NASA lies, they said the 1978 photo was a different photo to the 2017 photo. They gave us the 2017 photo as if it was new. Have you actually studied NASA photos of the earth, sometimes North America takes up a 1/3 of the earth and other times it is tiny. Lies.

Re: Flat Earth - Bad Science, Bad Theology

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:18 am
by DBowling
Stu wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:13 am
DBowling wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:52 am
Stu wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:31 am The camera they used was the EPIC 4MP with CCD sensor with an 11-inch telescopic lens.
Don't you really think that would be sufficient enough to zoom that far in from 1,000,000 miles away?
Source please
No those two pictures of earth are not the same picture, the blue of the ocean is different, only the clouds are the same.
Of course its the same picture...
The only difference is the color shading
Yet even after seeing that NASA outright LIES about the photographs they put out you still are willing to believe every photo they put out?? They faked those photos yet you don't even bat an eyelid. Amazing. They copy and pasted the clouds :lol:
Two things
1. We're not talking about a handful of pictures from NASA here. Were talking about thousands of pictures and videos from multiple countries and multiple sources. And eyewitness accounts from multiple countries and multiple sources.
2. The only "lies" I see perpetuated in this thread are not from NASA. The torrent of lies are coming from the flat earthers.
Either way NASA lies, they said the 1978 photo was a different photo to the 2017 photo.
I need to see the NASA sources for that assertion before I take what you say at face value.

Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:18 am
by RickD
Here’s the story behind the earth “picture”.
As with every other supposed flat earth piece of evidence that I’ve done some basic research on, it turns out to be another lie from flat earthers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/192 ... ke-it/amp/

Stu,

You may want to do a few minutes of research on something you think is evidence that supports your beliefs, before you post it online.

It only takes a few minutes to check the validity of this crap.

Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:51 am
by Stu
RickD wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:18 am Here’s the story behind the earth “picture”.
As with every other supposed flat earth piece of evidence that I’ve done some basic research on, it turns out to be another lie from flat earthers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/192 ... ke-it/amp/

Stu,

You may want to do a few minutes of research on something you think is evidence that supports your beliefs, before you post it online.

It only takes a few minutes to check the validity of this crap.
Yes, I know. But you are confusing two issues the 2002 image is what they are referring to in that article, the iPhone image, I used a different image ;)

Here's the headline, note the word "fake".
The guy who created the iPhone’s Earth image explains why he needed to fake it
He's called the "Blue Marble Guy", they admit that they take many flat pictures and wrap them around a sphere.

Yet DB and co. think they are real pictures, they are fake and they could do anything they want to them.

Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:00 pm
by RickD
Stu,

Do flat earthers deny Global warming?

Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:01 pm
by RickD


Here's a good, basic layman type video that explains how the round earth model accurately predicts what we observe, and how the flat earth doesn’t have a working model, therefore among other things, is unscientific.

Because of the round earth, heliocentric model, scientists accurately predict things such as eclipses, and the return of Halley’s Comet.

The flat earth does not have a single model that can explain night and day, the seasons, and the coriolis effect. The flat earth has to have three separate models, that do not fit together as one model. Folks, that’s not science.

Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:41 am
by RickD
Flat earth destroyed by the moon


Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:48 am
by Stu
RickD wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:01 pm

Here's a good, basic layman type video that explains how the round earth model accurately predicts what we observe, and how the flat earth doesn’t have a working model, therefore among other things, is unscientific.

Because of the round earth, heliocentric model, scientists accurately predict things such as eclipses, and the return of Halley’s Comet.

The flat earth does not have a single model that can explain night and day, the seasons, and the coriolis effect. The flat earth has to have three separate models, that do not fit together as one model. Folks, that’s not science.
Sorry Rick but posting random Youtube videos isn't going to do your cause any good, you need to do a little homework.

Ok, let me address some of those issues in the first video point by point even though I'm no expert, my journey is recent, others have far greater knowledge than me. But it seems you have done zero research into flat earth.

Right from the start the video fails badly, the so called Flat Earth Society logo in the video, that is in FACT the UN's logo!!! Fail.

Guess what science is finding out that the earth might indeed be in a special position in the "universe", I suggest you look up Axis Of Evil.

Axis of evil (cosmology)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil_(cosmology)

Here's a quote from Lawrence Krauss a rabid atheist.
Lawrence Krauss is quoted as follows in a 2006 Edge.org article:[5]

But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun – the plane of the earth around the sun – the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe.
If you look at the map that I provided it shows a simplistic path that the sun and moon take it shifts over time. It circles the earth, day in one place, night in another. And accounts for the seasons.

The globe model would have us believe that a slight shift in the earth would account for the seasons when we are supposedly 93,000,000 miles away from earth!!! Do you understand that, seriously, such a little shift would have such a major effect 93,000,000 miles away. Come on. Makes sense on the flat earth model though.

The coriolis effect is nonsense. It is a myth, ask ANY long distance sniper if he has to take the coriolis effect into account when doing long distance shooting. They don't.
Ask any tank operator in they have to take the coriolis effect into account when calculating for shooting shells. They don't. Ask any sailor on a US navy ship if they take the coriolis effect into account. They don't.

It is a myth in the REAL world.




Of course different stars are visible in different locations, the earth is huge and saying we should expect to see the same stars is ridiculous given the size of the earth and the limitations of our eyes.

Guess what the people throughout history had PERFECT working models for calculating night, day, seasons and everything else based on a FLAT earth.

They even built a device that could calculate some of these things, it's called an Astrolabe, predicting the motion of celestial bodies for over 2000 years on a flat geocentric instrument, as well as sunrise and sunset. Ignorance of history and assuming that man was dumb in the past is not a wise thing to do.


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Guess what I just listened to a NATO Sea Sparrow Surface Missile Master Training Specialist and he has access to technology we can only dream of.

For instance they can "paint" a target 57 miles away with a 2 degree Pencil Beam. That is 57 miles away. That target should be 1686 feet below the curvature!!!!! BUT IT'S NOT. They can line of sight the target. Impossible on a globe earth. That is reality.

Here's the interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJOB0vc ... ur&index=3

What he also did was take the something the size of the barrel of a rifle and aim it at the star Polaris for 5 months and film it each night. Guess what, it NEVER left the tiny circle of the barrel, which is about 1 inch wide. How do you explain that. Impossible on a spinning orbiting globe earth.

Gravity is not needed. It is all about weight, mass, density and buoyancy. If it is heavier than air it will fall. Falling up nonsense is from the Flat Earth Society.

It is just as easy to circumnavigate the earth on a flat earth.

Captain Cook sailed for 3 years around Antarctica's ice wall looking for an inlet or passage way into the wall but never found one! He sailed for approximately 50,000 - 60,000 miles yet never could circumnavigate the so called continent. Let that sink in.

I showed you the way the astronauts faked the picture of the earth in the Apollo mission. Photos from NASA are not reliable. They are known to fake images, with copy and paste clouds.

There are plenty of things the globe earth can't explain.

Let's take one.

During WWII the Germans used a targeting system called "Knickebein" which sent VHF radio waves from a tower in Stollberg (distance to target Derby = 443 miles) and a tower in Kleve (distance to target Derby = 331 miles) and at the point at which they coincided that is where the bombers would release their bombs.

It was so accurate the Germans could bomb specific buildings.

The problem to this very day is that VHF beams do not bounce off the ionosphere.

The UK government said that such a targeting system would be impossible and leading scientists said such a system would not be able to follow the curvature of the earth, so lives were lost while they debated the Germans perfectly working bombing strategy.

Work it out for yourself. Earth Curvature Calculator.
Height of the tower was 342 feet and the distance to target was 443 miles.

There should have been 117,503 feet of curvature!!! But those pesky VHF waves made it all the way to Britain. Only possible on a flat earth.

See more in this video at at 13:00.



Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:57 am
by Stu
RickD wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:00 pm Stu,

Do flat earthers deny Global warming?
Don't know, a very separate issue.

Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:55 am
by Stu
Rick, go to the Play Store and download an app called Flat Earth Clock. It is free and you can fast forward or rewind and choose different dates. It has the sun and moon positions over a flat earth. Not sure if it is correct but is interesting.

Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:39 am
by Stu
Rick, this one you can test yourself. Actual science. It's pretty conclusive

The direct moon light is colder than the shade of the moonlight. That should be IMPOSSIBLE if it is reflected sunlight. Once again science that is impossible on the heliocentric model.

Here is a video that shows it. It starts at 12:00, first with another guy and then Rob does the test himself again at 15:30, so keep on watching.

https://youtu.be/_JIXtYj8aT4?list=PLzL1 ... 2pxnsK6RUW

Re: The US NEVER Went To The Moon

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:45 pm
by RickD



Stu,

This video not only shows that the flat earth cool moonlight claim is false, and the test is unscientific, it also shows that the moon is indeed reflecting the sunlight, not giving off its own light.

And as a bonus, it puts to bed the idiotic flat earth claim that the sun and moon are relatively the same size, and are close to the earth.
Stu wrote:
Rick, this one you can test yourself. Actual science. It's pretty conclusive
No Stu, it’s not actual science. As the video that I posted shows, your video’s unscientific “experiment” didn’t account for variables like shade.