Evidence for God from Science

Sceptic wrote:

Gman wrote:

Sceptic wrote: It makes no difference to "my" case, as natural selection is not random.

Complete baloney.... Ever study biology before?

Yes I have, you?

Yes I have... And I use college biology books too. Sorry.

Gman wrote:Yes I have... And I use college biology books too. Sorry.

Then you should have paid better attention. Natural selection isn't random chance.

August wrote:You stated that we live in a random world.

Elements of it are random. Gene mutation, and genetic drift, for instance.

Sceptic wrote:

August wrote:You stated that we live in a random world.

Elements of it are random. Gene mutation, and genetic drift, for instance.

So how can you know anything? How do you know what you know is not random gibberish?

August wrote:So how can you know anything? How do you know what you know is not random gibberish?

I'm tempted to say "because I'm not a creationist", but that would be impolite. You enjoy these metaphysical diversions?

Sceptic wrote:

August wrote:So how can you know anything? How do you know what you know is not random gibberish?

I'm tempted to say "because I'm not a creationist", but that would be impolite. You enjoy these metaphysical diversions?

Lol, that was funny.

These metaphysical diversions, as you call them, are the basic truths that underwrite what we believe. So if you cannot account for it, then why should we believe you?

August wrote:These metaphysical diversions, as you call them, are the basic truths that underwrite what we believe. So if you cannot account for it, then why should we believe you?

OK, how do I know anything? I am persuaded by evidence which is presented to me, combined with personal experience.

In the case of evolution, then either there's a massive global scientific conspiracy, or it's most probably true. The same goes for gravity.

Sceptic wrote:

August wrote:These metaphysical diversions, as you call them, are the basic truths that underwrite what we believe. So if you cannot account for it, then why should we believe you?

OK, how do I know anything? I am persuaded by evidence which is presented to me, combined with personal experience.

In the case of evolution, then either there's a massive global scientific conspiracy, or it's most probably true. The same goes for gravity.

How do you come to know the meaning of the evidence? How do you know when your personal experience is valid or not? How do you "experience" something?

August wrote:How do you come to know the meaning of the evidence? How do you know when your personal experience is valid or not? How do you "experience" something?

Via my education, and deductive reasoning.

Are you so short of arguments about evolution that you have to take this philosophical line? When do I get asked about the meaning of truth?

Sceptic wrote:

Gman wrote:Yes I have... And I use college biology books too. Sorry.

Then you should have paid better attention. Natural selection isn't random chance.

Unfortunately your statement is incorrect.... Did you read earlier what I stated?

"Evolution by natural selection, on the other hand, is a blend of chance and "sorting." - Biology : Concepts and connections — Ch. 13.12, pg 269, 2008.

This statement is by renowned evolutionists. Do you wish to go against their word?

Gman wrote:Unfortunately your statement is incorrect.... Did you read earlier what I stated?

"Evolution by natural selection, on the other hand, is a blend of chance and "sorting." - Biology : Concepts and connections — Ch. 13.12, pg 269, 2008.

This statement is by renowned evolutionists. Do you wish to go against their word?

The "chance" part is the genetic mutation, and/or drift; the "sorting" is natural selection - which isn't a random process. Is that so hard to understand?

Sceptic wrote:

August wrote:How do you come to know the meaning of the evidence? How do you know when your personal experience is valid or not? How do you "experience" something?

Via my education, and deductive reasoning.

Are you so short of arguments about evolution that you have to take this philosophical line? When do I get asked about the meaning of truth?

You are still not answering the question. I am not asking about your source of information, I am asking how you come to know it. This is basic metaphysics, something you started when you asserted a random world.

So are you saying that your belief in evolution is via deductive reasoning? What was your universal premise for that?

Sceptic wrote:

Gman wrote:Unfortunately your statement is incorrect.... Did you read earlier what I stated?

"Evolution by natural selection, on the other hand, is a blend of chance and "sorting." - Biology : Concepts and connections — Ch. 13.12, pg 269, 2008.

This statement is by renowned evolutionists. Do you wish to go against their word?

The "chance" part is the genetic mutation, and/or drift; the "sorting" is natural selection - which isn't a random process. Is that so hard to understand?

Excuse me? Are you reading what I posted by the evolutionists? "Natural selection, on the other hand, is a blend of chance AND "sorting."

It's a supposed blend of chance AND sorting... It's not a solely random process. Get it now??

What exactly are you a sceptic of anyway?

Gman wrote:Excuse me? Are you reading what I posted by the evolutionists? "Natural selection, on the other hand, is a blend of chance AND "sorting."

It's a supposed blend of chance AND sorting... It's not a solely random process. Get it now??

Clearly it is difficult to understand!

You've chopped the quote (and removed it from its context, but hey). The process comprises two separate stages:

1. Genetic variation.
2. Natural selection acting on the phenotype.

Natural selection is not a random process.