End times prophecy checklist...

[Storyteller]

But Jesus was sinless, because He is God.

[EssentialSacrifice]

story:
Is it possible to hate something you do not know?
God hates sin.

Is it possible He knows sin through Mary? If only original sin?

How can God know sin, how we feel if He doesnt somehow, experience it?

Is it possible He knows sin through Mary? If only original sin? not imo, he took the possibility of original sin from her and endowed her with such a wonderful, so full of grace gift that sinning wasn't even considered.

How can God know sin, how we feel if He doesnt somehow, experience it?
this is , imo opinion, attributing too much humanity to God. He knows everything and needs to experience none of it since it is all His in the first place. He made the rules then follows His own lead. i think ? He prefers to see how we deal with it.

[Storyteller]

But He did experience everything. As a human. Why would He leave out sin?

[RickD]

But Jesus was sinless, because He is God.

Yes. That's why Mary's sinlessness is not necessary.

[Storyteller]

Agreed.

Not that I'm saying Mary wasnt sinless. Im still working that one through.

[RickD]

Agreed.

Not that I'm saying Mary wasnt sinless. Im still working that one through.

Why was she sinless, if it wasn't necessary?

[EssentialSacrifice]

story:
But He did experience everything. As a human. Why would He leave out sin?

before Christ was human He had to know of sin, why did the Father send him in the first place if not for the express condemnation of sin ? why would He have sent the Christ if He wasn't alrteady aware of sin and it's consequences ? He didn't need to experience anything in His human state. His God the Father person already knew, He is aware of everything. The OT testifies to such great wisdom and knowledge... even acknowledging preknowledge
Proverbs 1:5 ... Daniel 2:21 ... Proverbs 2:10-11

[EssentialSacrifice]

Storyteller wrote:
But Jesus was sinless, because He is God.

rickD
Yes. That's why Mary's sinlessness is not necessary.

Mary's sinlessness is not in conjunction with God's. Mary's sinlessness was allowing God to remain who He is and not immerse Himself in sin ... the one thing in all the universe God hates most. Mary's sinlessness was was created for her because of her love of our Father as the "bearer" of Him who is with us, and present Him with a pure "ark" for his earthly conception.

[Storyteller]

Re phrase it for me, I don't get it. x

[EssentialSacrifice]

Mary's sinlessness was allowing God to remain who He is and not immerse Himself in sin ... as the "bearer" of Him who is with us, and presented Him with a pure "ark" for his earthly dwelling... does this help ?

[Storyteller]

Yes.

But I need to ponder.

[thesign]

Yeah, to a moron.

Mary being sinless is neither necessary nor biblical.

[RickD]

Yeah, to a moron.

Mary being sinless is neither necessary nor biblical.

Well,

I guess you can call me a moron then. But you won't be able to do it from here, because you're banned!

Goodbye! Enjoy your lives.

[SoCalExile]

Mary being sinless is neither necessary nor biblical.

If God could keep Mary sinless, as Catholicism teaches, why couldn't God keep Jesus sinless in Mary's womb?

Bingo! That's what I was trying to say but was unable to make clear.

[SoCalExile]

Storyteller wrote:
But Jesus was sinless, because He is God.

rickD
Yes. That's why Mary's sinlessness is not necessary.

Mary's sinlessness is not in conjunction with God's. Mary's sinlessness was allowing God to remain who He is and not immerse Himself in sin ... the one thing in all the universe God hates most. Mary's sinlessness was was created for her because of her love of our Father as the "bearer" of Him who is with us, and present Him with a pure "ark" for his earthly conception.

Yet a man had to go sprinkle blood on the Ark once a year, and we're told in Hebrews that Christ was represented by the High Priest. So the analogy falls flat, unless you're making a case for incest.