Johnny916 wrote:Why do you guys support the state of Israel? I'm a Jew against Zionism. Yes, I know I would have to mention some time are another. As I mentioned before I'm very in-tune with my faith. Therefore I'm influenced by Jews who disagree with Zionism.
All due respect and recall that you have a desire to learn so please hear me out on this matter and ask you this question –
How does the website address you provided fare with the Holy Scriptures and the Historical record?
The Torah and Prophets proclaim that if Israel forgets G-d, G-d will send the people into captivity. Not only this but the Holy Book does identify two times that the Jewish people would be sent off into captivity and only two regatherings back into the physical land of Israel. There are only two and no more. A Third time (three fold witness) will happen but Israel will not be removed from the Land, rather that third time is identified as a time of dividing...That is another subject for another thread. So let's keep on topic and look at the biblical mentions two regathering.
Isa 11:11, 12, “
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord will set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people, that shall remain from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And He will set up an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the dispersed of Israel, and gather together the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” JPS
I have heard observant Jews say that since all Jews are not in Israel because not all will fit inside Israel forget that Isaiah 11:11 mentions the initial regathering and is separated from verse 12 by use of the word Ensign …. You have a period of time being suggested here. So that argument about not all Jews are in Israel is spurious. Has the Ensign been set up yet? Are there Jews in Israel nowadays? Next, add in what the word translated
ensign means and then Toss in Isaiah 65:17, 18, 19c and host of other prophecy…
How many times has the people of Israel been removed from the Land of Israel and regathered? Historically twice and then add in this text:
Amos 9:14, 15, “
And I will turn the captivity of My people Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be plucked up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy G-d.” JPS
Also remember G-d swore to Abraham and to the Jewish people that He will be their G-d and that He gave them that Land. To say that the Jews in Israel currently are illegitimate and do not belong there in essence is tempting G-d to break His covenant oath, proving that G-d is unable to keep his word, promises, oath when he said twice and only twice will the nation be lead into captivity and regathered again. From the initial second regathering there will elapse a period time until the ensign is revealed when all G-d’s people return…(New Heaven and Earth)
Is G-d a G-d unable to keep his word and perform it? Isaiah 55:11 …
If not, then how could a doctrine that teaches he must be unable to keep his word be correct?
There will come a time of dividing…
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P. S, please do not think I am being harsh here in asking you these things, I am trying to make you think for yourself so you can grow into your faith. Be Blest my friend in G-d
Numbers 6:24, 25, 26, 27c