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Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 5:25 am
by 1over137
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:Why I got the message, huh?
Personally I do not believe you got any message. I believe it to be a delusion, figment of your imagination, or something that can be explained logically; but that's just my opinion. If you say you got your message from a God that I am convinced does not exist; I will respect your beliefs and wish you the best with them.

Ken
Delusion... This I wondered about my whole young life. I was truth searcher and did not want to end up deluding myself. My best Christian friend once told me: "Noone came to God kicking all the way against him." (I replied that what about Paul who was killing Christian?) Yet, I am here and Christian. God came to me and I could not resist anymore.

He has his own time.
He is patient.

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 1:10 pm
by Kenny
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:Why I got the message, huh?
Personally I do not believe you got any message. I believe it to be a delusion, figment of your imagination, or something that can be explained logically; but that's just my opinion. If you say you got your message from a God that I am convinced does not exist; I will respect your beliefs and wish you the best with them.

Ken
Delusion... This I wondered about my whole young life. I was truth searcher and did not want to end up deluding myself. My best Christian friend once told me: "Noone came to God kicking all the way against him." (I replied that what about Paul who was killing Christian?) Yet, I am here and Christian. God came to me and I could not resist anymore.

He has his own time.
He is patient.
If I had your experience, I would be christian too.

Ken

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 1:42 pm
by Byblos
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:Why I got the message, huh?
Personally I do not believe you got any message. I believe it to be a delusion, figment of your imagination, or something that can be explained logically; but that's just my opinion. If you say you got your message from a God that I am convinced does not exist; I will respect your beliefs and wish you the best with them.

Ken
Delusion... This I wondered about my whole young life. I was truth searcher and did not want to end up deluding myself. My best Christian friend once told me: "Noone came to God kicking all the way against him." (I replied that what about Paul who was killing Christian?) Yet, I am here and Christian. God came to me and I could not resist anymore.

He has his own time.
He is patient.
If I had your experience, I would be christian too.

Ken
I other words, when God bends to your will then and only then you would believe. But I'm afraid at that stage you would think yourself more powerful than God, thereby proclaiming yourself god. But hey, look on the bright side, you'd be able to call yourself a self-made theist. :mrgreen:

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 4:49 pm
by Kenny
Byblos wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:Why I got the message, huh?
Personally I do not believe you got any message. I believe it to be a delusion, figment of your imagination, or something that can be explained logically; but that's just my opinion. If you say you got your message from a God that I am convinced does not exist; I will respect your beliefs and wish you the best with them.

Ken
Delusion... This I wondered about my whole young life. I was truth searcher and did not want to end up deluding myself. My best Christian friend once told me: "Noone came to God kicking all the way against him." (I replied that what about Paul who was killing Christian?) Yet, I am here and Christian. God came to me and I could not resist anymore.

He has his own time.
He is patient.
If I had your experience, I would be christian too.

Ken
I other words, when God bends to your will then and only then you would believe.
Did God bend to your will?

Ken

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 4:51 pm
by RickD
Kenny,

How old are you?

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 6:37 pm
by Kenny
RickD wrote:Kenny,

How old are you?
Why do you ask?

Ken

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 6:49 pm
by RickD
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:Kenny,

How old are you?
Why do you ask?

Ken
Because if you're young, like 15 or 16, then I can understand why you're answering the way you are. So, how old are you?

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 7:30 pm
by Kenny
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:Kenny,

How old are you?
Why do you ask?

Ken
Because if you're young, like 15 or 16, then I can understand why you're answering the way you are. So, how old are you?
If my replies were as obtuse as you pretend, they would be easily refuted; yet the best you seem to be able to come up with are tactless comments and questions like; "how old are you"

Ken

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 9:05 pm
by 1over137
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:
Kenny wrote:
1over137 wrote:Why I got the message, huh?
Personally I do not believe you got any message. I believe it to be a delusion, figment of your imagination, or something that can be explained logically; but that's just my opinion. If you say you got your message from a God that I am convinced does not exist; I will respect your beliefs and wish you the best with them.

Ken
Delusion... This I wondered about my whole young life. I was truth searcher and did not want to end up deluding myself. My best Christian friend once told me: "Noone came to God kicking all the way against him." (I replied that what about Paul who was killing Christian?) Yet, I am here and Christian. God came to me and I could not resist anymore.

He has his own time.
He is patient.
If I had your experience, I would be christian too.

Ken
Maybe one day you will.
Good start is being humble, fair and honest.

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 9:06 pm
by Danieltwotwenty
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:Kenny,

How old are you?
Why do you ask?

Ken
Because if you're young, like 15 or 16, then I can understand why you're answering the way you are. So, how old are you?
If my replies were as obtuse as you pretend, they would be easily refuted; yet the best you seem to be able to come up with are tactless comments and questions like; "how old are you"

Ken
He's just trying to understand you Kenny, they are not a defense for any argument.

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 4:30 am
by Kenny
Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:Kenny,

How old are you?
Why do you ask?

Ken
Because if you're young, like 15 or 16, then I can understand why you're answering the way you are. So, how old are you?
If my replies were as obtuse as you pretend, they would be easily refuted; yet the best you seem to be able to come up with are tactless comments and questions like; "how old are you"

Ken
He's just trying to understand you Kenny, they are not a defense for any argument.
Naa, I think he is just looking for a way to discredit what I have to say

Ken

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 4:51 am
by 1over137
No Kenny, I disagree with you. I and Dan know Rick better than you.

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 5:21 am
by RickD
Kenny,

I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. When I understand why someone is answering a certain way, it helps me have a more productive conversation with him. Kinda like trying to walk in someone else's shoes, to understand him better.

I wasn't trying to discredit any argument by asking your age. Age has no relevance to the arguments people make. I was asking your age because your level of understanding about basic things, leads me to believe you are either willfully ignorant, stupid, or young. And since I don't think your willfully ignorant or stupid, I'm guessing you're young.

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 5:24 am
by Kenny
RickD wrote:Kenny,

I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. When I understand why someone is answering a certain way, it helps me have a more productive conversation with him. Kinda like trying to walk in someone else's shoes, to understand him better.

I wasn't trying to discredit any argument by asking your age. Age has no relevance to the arguments people make. I was asking your age because your level of understanding about basic things, leads me to believe you are either willfully ignorant, stupid, or young. And since I don't think your willfully ignorant or stupid, I'm guessing you're young.
Then address my level of understanding. What is it about my understanding that gives you the impression that I am either stupid or young? What are some specific things I have said that give you this impression?

Ken

Re: Uncaused first cause

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 7:52 am
by RickD
Kenny wrote:
RickD wrote:Kenny,

I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. When I understand why someone is answering a certain way, it helps me have a more productive conversation with him. Kinda like trying to walk in someone else's shoes, to understand him better.

I wasn't trying to discredit any argument by asking your age. Age has no relevance to the arguments people make. I was asking your age because your level of understanding about basic things, leads me to believe you are either willfully ignorant, stupid, or young. And since I don't think your willfully ignorant or stupid, I'm guessing you're young.
Then address my level of understanding. What is it about my understanding that gives you the impression that I am either stupid or young? What are some specific things I have said that give you this impression?

Ken
Your lack of understanding basic things that people here are trying to tell you. I'm not going back to list anything specific. If you want to know, just look back at pretty much any post where someone has tried to help you understand something, and you disagree. It shouldn't be difficult to find something. It's prevalent throughout the threads you've posted in.