Interesting video I happened upon this morning

[Kenny]

What are you basing it on that something contradicting a law doesn't mean it couldn't have happened?I agree there is a lot we don't know about the universe but what we do know points to the God of the bible being the creator but this is ignored by the phrase" there is a lot we don't know about the universe" which is just speculation of what it might or might not reveal.

Again I see no reason to think its going to change because the science we know about now confirms the bible God's word true and shows that the holy books of other religions are wrong.I can't understand why you reject how the science we do know about confirms the bible true,in order to speculate or imagine some other idea as to how we got here.It seems like you're willing to ignore the evidence in order to speculate without evidence or confirmation,just a feeling.

You jokin' right?

K

The points I have made have not changed.I have been making the same points and I stick behind them.The science we know about behind the big bang confirms the bible true.

So if science points to your specific concept of God, why do most scientists dismiss your concept of God and remain atheists?

Ken

Kenny because of pride. Eminent philosopher thomas nagle is an atheist and yet he is very sympathetic to the intelligent design movement. This seems like a very weird combo until you ask nagle why he is an atheist .
He said that despite the design implications we see in the universe and in DNA he remains an atheist because he wishes and hopes that there is no God because nagle claims he doesn't want to live in a world under a cosmic dictator as he calls him.
Most atheists aren't that honest but he is .

Most Atheists aren't that DIShonest. It's bad enough to lie to other people; but to lie to himself? Why; because he doesn't like what he believes is the truth? Now that's bad!

Ken

[bippy123]

Kenny you would be surprised . I just got done debating an atheist on another forum on specifically Nde's .
He started with the claim that Nde's were caused by anoxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) when I showed him that this was incorrect and specifically doctor sam parnia pointed it out that people have Nde's whether their brain is loaded with oxygen or lacking oxygen , he basically started to find other pseudo scientific explanations for them , and when I refuted those (on scientific grounds alone ) his last defense was that mainstream neuroscience doesn't agree with them and that was good enough for him, but not one neuroscientist has any experience with nde studies or research so he was gathering his information from the non nde experts .

When I asked him to give me one nde scientist to back up his claim he basically resorted to calling nde research WOO.
Not only this Kenny but all his atheist buddies got agitated and the ridicule began.

Kenny why not study the nde peer reviewed literature and find me just one nde researcher that believes that Nde's are explainable by a naturalistic/atheistic position. Then go to atheist sites and see how almost all of them are ignoring the peer reviewed nde literature . You will be shocked at how almost all of them lie about these studies .

Sam Harris is just one of many . When he was challenged to debate doctor eben alexander Harris suddenly is too busy to even commit one hour of his time to debate him.

Don't believe me Kenny , research it all for yourself .

[EssentialSacrifice]

http://oi46.tinypic.com/10q9js3.jpg

Ken, here is the info I found in graph form from the Ecklund-Scheitle study. Note the overall numbers.

[Kenny]

Kenny you would be surprised . I just got done debating an atheist on another forum on specifically Nde's .
He started with the claim that Nde's were caused by anoxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) when I showed him that this was incorrect and specifically doctor sam parnia pointed it out that people have Nde's whether their brain is loaded with oxygen or lacking oxygen , he basically started to find other pseudo scientific explanations for them , and when I refuted those (on scientific grounds alone ) his last defense was that mainstream neuroscience doesn't agree with them and that was good enough for him, but not one neuroscientist has any experience with nde studies or research so he was gathering his information from the non nde experts .

When I asked him to give me one nde scientist to back up his claim he basically resorted to calling nde research WOO.
Not only this Kenny but all his atheist buddies got agitated and the ridicule began.

Kenny why not study the nde peer reviewed literature and find me just one nde researcher that believes that Nde's are explainable by a naturalistic/atheistic position. Then go to atheist sites and see how almost all of them are ignoring the peer reviewed nde literature . You will be shocked at how almost all of them lie about these studies .

Sam Harris is just one of many . When he was challenged to debate doctor eben alexander Harris suddenly is too busy to even commit one hour of his time to debate him.

Don't believe me Kenny , research it all for yourself .

Are you under the impression that I believe Atheists who frequent Atheist websites are honest?

Ken

[Kenny]

http://oi46.tinypic.com/10q9js3.jpg

Ken, here is the info I found in graph form from the Ecklund-Scheitle study. Note the overall numbers.

That graph was about anything one might call "God". Ablecainsbrother and I were specifically referring to the God of the Bible.

Ken

[bippy123]

Kenny you would be surprised . I just got done debating an atheist on another forum on specifically Nde's .
He started with the claim that Nde's were caused by anoxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) when I showed him that this was incorrect and specifically doctor sam parnia pointed it out that people have Nde's whether their brain is loaded with oxygen or lacking oxygen , he basically started to find other pseudo scientific explanations for them , and when I refuted those (on scientific grounds alone ) his last defense was that mainstream neuroscience doesn't agree with them and that was good enough for him, but not one neuroscientist has any experience with nde studies or research so he was gathering his information from the non nde experts .

When I asked him to give me one nde scientist to back up his claim he basically resorted to calling nde research WOO.
Not only this Kenny but all his atheist buddies got agitated and the ridicule began.

Kenny why not study the nde peer reviewed literature and find me just one nde researcher that believes that Nde's are explainable by a naturalistic/atheistic position. Then go to atheist sites and see how almost all of them are ignoring the peer reviewed nde literature . You will be shocked at how almost all of them lie about these studies .

Sam Harris is just one of many . When he was challenged to debate doctor eben alexander Harris suddenly is too busy to even commit one hour of his time to debate him.

Don't believe me Kenny , research it all for yourself .

Are you under the impression that I believe Atheists who frequent Atheist websites are honest?

Ken

Ken , these are the most outspoken advocates of atheism . Also any nde researcher that started out as annatenust left atheism be used of their nde research . Doesn't that tell you something ?

[Kenny]

Kenny you would be surprised . I just got done debating an atheist on another forum on specifically Nde's .
He started with the claim that Nde's were caused by anoxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) when I showed him that this was incorrect and specifically doctor sam parnia pointed it out that people have Nde's whether their brain is loaded with oxygen or lacking oxygen , he basically started to find other pseudo scientific explanations for them , and when I refuted those (on scientific grounds alone ) his last defense was that mainstream neuroscience doesn't agree with them and that was good enough for him, but not one neuroscientist has any experience with nde studies or research so he was gathering his information from the non nde experts .

When I asked him to give me one nde scientist to back up his claim he basically resorted to calling nde research WOO.
Not only this Kenny but all his atheist buddies got agitated and the ridicule began.

Kenny why not study the nde peer reviewed literature and find me just one nde researcher that believes that Nde's are explainable by a naturalistic/atheistic position. Then go to atheist sites and see how almost all of them are ignoring the peer reviewed nde literature . You will be shocked at how almost all of them lie about these studies .

Sam Harris is just one of many . When he was challenged to debate doctor eben alexander Harris suddenly is too busy to even commit one hour of his time to debate him.

Don't believe me Kenny , research it all for yourself .

Are you under the impression that I believe Atheists who frequent Atheist websites are honest?

Ken

Ken , these are the most outspoken advocates of atheism . Also any nde researcher that started out as annatenust left atheism be used of their nde research . Doesn't that tell you something ?

It tells me some of the most outspoken advocates of atheism can still be dishonest.

K

[abelcainsbrother]

http://oi46.tinypic.com/10q9js3.jpg

Ken, here is the info I found in graph form from the Ecklund-Scheitle study. Note the overall numbers.

That graph was about anything one might call "God". Ablecainsbrother and I were specifically referring to the God of the Bible.

Ken

But the thing is,is I have shown how the science we know about behind the big bang lines up and confirms what the bible says and this is evidence that it points to the God of the bible being the cause.If you understand the big bang theory and the science behind it?Then read Hebrews 1:10-12. And it not only lines up with the big bang,but also the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.

Keep in mind the universe is like a spring being stretched out that will contract back,the universe is expanding,so read Revelation 20:11 and the universe is expanding just like the bible indicated.Know that the science behind the big bang does not line up with the holy books of other religions and so we not only have logic and reason that our God is the cause of the universe but evidence also.There are several verses in the bible that indicated the universe is expanding just like science tells us.

All it takes is knowledge about the big bang,intellectual honesty,knowledge about the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and then to read the bible to see it lines up and agrees with what scientists have discovered and since science is secular and is not considering the bible or any holy book? This is significant evidence for the God of the bible being the cause.

[abelcainsbrother]

The 1st law of thermodynamics says energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can be changed.The 2nd law is about entropy,aging,disorder,like the stars and sun is aging and only has so much hydrogen to burn,so we know a deep freeze is coming to the universe.Notice that Hebrews 1:10-12 and you see both the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics at work just like science says.

[bippy123]

Kenny you would be surprised . I just got done debating an atheist on another forum on specifically Nde's .
He started with the claim that Nde's were caused by anoxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) when I showed him that this was incorrect and specifically doctor sam parnia pointed it out that people have Nde's whether their brain is loaded with oxygen or lacking oxygen , he basically started to find other pseudo scientific explanations for them , and when I refuted those (on scientific grounds alone ) his last defense was that mainstream neuroscience doesn't agree with them and that was good enough for him, but not one neuroscientist has any experience with nde studies or research so he was gathering his information from the non nde experts .

When I asked him to give me one nde scientist to back up his claim he basically resorted to calling nde research WOO.
Not only this Kenny but all his atheist buddies got agitated and the ridicule began.

Kenny why not study the nde peer reviewed literature and find me just one nde researcher that believes that Nde's are explainable by a naturalistic/atheistic position. Then go to atheist sites and see how almost all of them are ignoring the peer reviewed nde literature . You will be shocked at how almost all of them lie about these studies .

Sam Harris is just one of many . When he was challenged to debate doctor eben alexander Harris suddenly is too busy to even commit one hour of his time to debate him.

Don't believe me Kenny , research it all for yourself .

Are you under the impression that I believe Atheists who frequent Atheist websites are honest?

Ken

Ken , these are the most outspoken advocates of atheism . Also any nde researcher that started out as annatenust left atheism be used of their nde research . Doesn't that tell you something ?

It tells me some of the most outspoken advocates of atheism can still be dishonest.

K

So Kenny let me ask you, what is your take on Nde's and have u studied the nde literature ?
Nde's might be a good vehicle to get you halfway to taking the next reasonable step towards God.

Think of it this way. Religion has been saying for thousands of years we do have a soul and there is an afterlife .
Atheism on the other hand has been denying a soul and an afterlife for a long time as well.
Nde research is pointing in the same direction as religion has been saying for thousands of years on these 2 points .
I think everyone here , atheists and theists alike can agree that those are 2 major huge claims . Don't you think Kenny ?
Now if religion is right on these doesn't it make belief in God in your eyes a reasonable leap forward ?

[Kenny]

Kenny you would be surprised . I just got done debating an atheist on another forum on specifically Nde's .
He started with the claim that Nde's were caused by anoxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) when I showed him that this was incorrect and specifically doctor sam parnia pointed it out that people have Nde's whether their brain is loaded with oxygen or lacking oxygen , he basically started to find other pseudo scientific explanations for them , and when I refuted those (on scientific grounds alone ) his last defense was that mainstream neuroscience doesn't agree with them and that was good enough for him, but not one neuroscientist has any experience with nde studies or research so he was gathering his information from the non nde experts .

When I asked him to give me one nde scientist to back up his claim he basically resorted to calling nde research WOO.
Not only this Kenny but all his atheist buddies got agitated and the ridicule began.

Kenny why not study the nde peer reviewed literature and find me just one nde researcher that believes that Nde's are explainable by a naturalistic/atheistic position. Then go to atheist sites and see how almost all of them are ignoring the peer reviewed nde literature . You will be shocked at how almost all of them lie about these studies .

Sam Harris is just one of many . When he was challenged to debate doctor eben alexander Harris suddenly is too busy to even commit one hour of his time to debate him.

Don't believe me Kenny , research it all for yourself .

Are you under the impression that I believe Atheists who frequent Atheist websites are honest?

Ken

Ken , these are the most outspoken advocates of atheism . Also any nde researcher that started out as annatenust left atheism be used of their nde research . Doesn't that tell you something ?

It tells me some of the most outspoken advocates of atheism can still be dishonest.

K

So Kenny let me ask you, what is your take on Nde's and have u studied the nde literature ?
Nde's might be a good vehicle to get you halfway to taking the next reasonable step towards God.

Think of it this way. Religion has been saying for thousands of years we do have a soul and there is an afterlife .
Atheism on the other hand has been denying a soul and an afterlife for a long time as well.
Nde research is pointing in the same direction as religion has been saying for thousands of years on these 2 points .
I think everyone here , atheists and theists alike can agree that those are 2 major huge claims . Don't you think Kenny ?
Now if religion is right on these doesn't it make belief in God in your eyes a reasonable leap forward ?

I will admit I know very little about NDE (Near Death Experiences) it is not something I've studied. Christians will often find these experiences confirming their christian beliefs. Obviously Christians aren't the only ones who have these experiences. From what I've been told, those of other religions who have NDE will claim the experience will confirm THEIR religious beliefs. Have you heard anything about that?

Ken

[Kenny]

http://oi46.tinypic.com/10q9js3.jpg

Ken, here is the info I found in graph form from the Ecklund-Scheitle study. Note the overall numbers.

That graph was about anything one might call "God". Ablecainsbrother and I were specifically referring to the God of the Bible.

Ken

But the thing is,is I have shown how the science we know about behind the big bang lines up and confirms what the bible says and this is evidence that it points to the God of the bible being the cause.If you understand the big bang theory and the science behind it?Then read Hebrews 1:10-12. And it not only lines up with the big bang,but also the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.

What does Hebrews 1:10-12 have to do with a singularity expanding to become the Universe as we know it?

Keep in mind the universe is like a spring being stretched out that will contract back,

The universe is being stretched out and will contract back? Where are you getting this information?

Ken

[bippy123]

""I will admit I know very little about NDE (Near Death Experiences) it is not something I've studied. Christians will often find these experiences confirming their christian beliefs. Obviously Christians aren't the only ones who have these experiences. From what I've been told, those of other religions who have NDE will claim the experience will confirm THEIR religious beliefs. Have you heard anything about that?""


Kenny I didn't use Nde's to prove one religion over the other .as far as Nde's proving the religion that they started out with that is not entirely true . How about professor Howard storm who was a militant atheist and became a Christian pastor after his nde , or Ian McCormick, another atheist who converted to Christianity after his nde . Or my bro mikhail who was an Orthodox Jew and had an nde when they mixed up the wrong schizophrenia meds for him when he was quaranteed in a hospital with chicken pox . He came back a Christian and has been one ever since , or eben Alexander who was what we call a friendly atheist who came back a Christian after his nde ? The major points that almost all nde experiences agree upon though is that they see either a being of light or a light of all encompassing love that tells them that they are special, and that they are loved and cherished eternally . Sure sounds like the God of the bible , and most people from all religious beliefs report seeing something like this . How do you explain these experiences Ken.


What Nde's point to is the soul, the supernatural and the afterlife . This breaks one of the major legs if atheism and that us naturalism/materialism.
Now the next question is , if you haven't studied Nde's , why not ?

Please don't tell me that the evidence isn't a big deal cause it's earth shattering as far as worldviews are concerned .

As far as other religions are concerned gary habermas talked about this with alex tsakiris on his skeptiko interview , and habermas pointed out that Nde's alone give general evidence to what many religions have been saying for thousands of years , but to get to what religion specifically is the truth you need to go out of Nde's . This is why habermas started to bring out the big guns when he started talking about the historicity of the resurrection and you will see how tsakiris gently nudged the conversation away from that topic

Tsakiris is a general universalist which means that he believes that many religions lead to God . I obviously don't gated with this but I believe that there are some major points we both can agree on, namely that there is a soul, the supernatural and the afterlife . These are huge claims and now science is starting to point in this direction by the scientific evidence of Nde's alone .

For someone like you it could be a life changer . Once you go away from being against the supernatural how much harder can it be to posit God ? It would be a heck of a lot easier and this is why almost all atheists fight tooth and nail to avoid or twist the evidences from nde research and it's going to blow up in their faces . One of the editors of the atheist humanist magazine knows this and that's why he is imploring his fellow atheists to believe in the strong scientific evidence that Nde's provide and try to interpret them in a natural way .

As I said before famed physicist Sir Roget Penrose has heeded the warning and knows the evidence for the soul and afterlife is strong which is why he is collaborating with Stuart hammeroff on their microtubules theory .

Atheists hate nde science because it points to some of the most major claims that religion has been making for thousands of years namely that there is an afterlife and there is a soul that lives on after physical death and the part that is burning them up is that the science that they supposedly love is starting to show this very strongly .

[EssentialSacrifice]

That graph was about anything one might call "God". Ablecainsbrother and I were specifically referring to the God of the Bible.

Ken

So seriously, do you just not look or just look where you want to ? Here it is in black and white Go back and check original graph to confirm.

Table 3, question #2

Which of the following statements comes closest to expressing what you believe about God.

I do not believe in God: Natural Sciences Avg. overall 37.6 %, Social Sciences Avg. overall 31.2% Neither category had any individual discipline that reached 50%

So, as I said before, it is not right to make carte blanch statements about all scientists view on religion (mostly atheist), assuming this must be your stance on the matter and are unafraid or apologetic to include those whom you think must think like you. Ecklund Scheitle are renowned in their work. This reference is to the Christian God, not any other deity, so it is valid in this reference. read the entire article, as I stated before, and you will realize this.

[Kenny]

""I will admit I know very little about NDE (Near Death Experiences) it is not something I've studied. Christians will often find these experiences confirming their christian beliefs. Obviously Christians aren't the only ones who have these experiences. From what I've been told, those of other religions who have NDE will claim the experience will confirm THEIR religious beliefs. Have you heard anything about that?""


Kenny I didn't use Nde's to prove one religion over the other .as far as Nde's proving the religion that they started out with that is not entirely true . How about professor Howard storm who was a militant atheist and became a Christian pastor after his nde , or Ian McCormick, another atheist who converted to Christianity after his nde . Or my bro mikhail who was an Orthodox Jew and had an nde when they mixed up the wrong schizophrenia meds for him when he was quaranteed in a hospital with chicken pox . He came back a Christian and has been one ever since , or eben Alexander who was what we call a friendly atheist who came back a Christian after his nde ? The major points that almost all nde experiences agree upon though is that they see either a being of light or a light of all encompassing love that tells them that they are special, and that they are loved and cherished eternally . Sure sounds like the God of the bible , and most people from all religious beliefs report seeing something like this . How do you explain these experiences Ken.

I am not in the business of explaining unsubstantiated claims.

"What Nde's point to is the soul, the supernatural and the afterlife . This breaks one of the major legs if atheism and that us naturalism/materialism.

It would be a mistake to assume atheists can’t believe in souls, supernatural, or the afterlife. Just because I don’t believe in those things doesn’t mean other atheists don't

"Now the next question is , if you haven't studied Nde's , why not ?

There are about a thousand and one things I would like to know about, but don’t have time to study. NDE’s are one of those things.
Another problem is it requires I take someone else's word for it. How do I know they are telling the truth?

Ken