Evidence for God from Science

Job 38:4-7 seems to indicate that the angels were at least in existence at the very beginnings of the earth's creation (some 4.5 billion years ago?).

The bible may not tell us exactly when angels were created but we can tell by reading scripture that they existed before other things did. It tells us about Lucifer's fall and rebellion against God also,it tells us a third of the angels rebelled against God.If you don't know this then you will have problems interpreting the bible even when it comes to your creation interpretation.I know based on scripture that the angels already existed when God created the earth and they had been created long before then to.The bible gives us clues to go by to know even if it doesn't get specific.This is one reason I accept the Gap Theory because they have the best answer backed up by scripture about when angels were created and how it ties into creation and it is important to know to have proper understanding as it relates to creation.The others have kinda overlooked angels and their story eventhough every Christian knows the bible tells us about angels.

Well jalvarez,

Cat got your tongue? Or were you just yec all along, pretending to shop at the GAP?

Nobody so easily, gives up on a belief that they defended as much as you defended your Gap Theory.

So what's the deal? Did Kent Hovind send you here from his jail cell?

*edit-nevermind. It seems Hovind was released last year. My, how time flies when you're evading taxes.

RickD wrote:Well jalvarez,

Cat got your tongue? Or were you just yec all along, pretending to shop at the GAP?

Nobody so easily, gives up on a belief that they defended as much as you defended your Gap Theory.

So what's the deal? Did Kent Hovind send you here from his jail cell?

*edit-nevermind. It seems Hovind was released last year. My, how time flies when you're evading taxes.

Your post fits your profile picture. I was a YEC before Gap and now after Gap. Just because you defend something wrong fiercely doesn't mean you should hold to it when it is proven wrong to you. I'm an open minded person. Unlike most Christians who believe what they believe regardless of what scripture says. Btw, Hovind is a professional lying closet Catholic in my opinion.

jalvarez wrote:
Your post fits your profile picture.

Well that's good, because my profile picture is a picture of me.

jalvarez wrote:
I was a YEC before Gap and now after Gap. Just because you defend something wrong fiercely doesn't mean you should hold to it when it is proven wrong to you. I'm an open minded person.

An open-minded yec? I guess there's a first for everything.

jalvarez wrote:
Unlike most Christians who believe what they believe regardless of what scripture says. Btw, Hovind is a professional lying closet Catholic.

Don't most Christians believe what they believe, because of what they think scripture says, not regardless of what they think scripture says?

Kurieuo wrote:Now ACB Jac has a gap YEC buddy.

There K. Fixed it for ya!

RickD wrote:Don't most Christians believe what they believe, because of what they think scripture says, not regardless of what they think scripture says?

Not really.

RickD wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Now ACB Jac has a gap YEC buddy.

There K. Fixed it for ya!

Not sure I'd get along too well with someone who put me on his permignore list like a . I would have at least tried to answer myself, not ignore me (hope that makes sense ).

jalvarez4Jesus wrote:

RickD wrote:Don't most Christians believe what they believe, because of what they think scripture says, not regardless of what they think scripture says?

Not really.

Well Josh Alvarez,

I guess I'd have to respectfully disagree. At least as far as theological things, most Christians I know, believe what they do as a result of how they interpret scripture. Although I guess the argument could be made that some believe what they believe, because someone else told them to.

jalvarez4Jesus wrote:

RickD wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Now ACB Jac has a gap YEC buddy.

There K. Fixed it for ya!

Not sure I'd get along too well with someone who put me on his permignore list like a . I would have at least tried to answer myself, not ignore me (hope that makes sense ).

Well,

Now Jac and you can kiss and make up. You're both on the same team now. Although, I'm not sure Jac is going to believe that you switched from Gapper to Yec so easily. He's a very skeptical person.

jalvarez4Jesus, since you're shopping around please check out my Sabbatical understanding.

Since you've left the Gap, and now YEC but Jac has you on ignore, I'd welcome you as my Sabbatical buddy.

Kurieuo wrote:jalvarez4Jesus, since you're shopping around please check out my Sabbatical understanding.

Since you've left the Gap, and now YEC but Jac has you on ignore, I'd welcome you as my Sabbatical buddy.

K,

I'm sure he'll switch right over. Jalvarez switches creation positions, more than Bill Clinton switches White House interns.

There are perks with my Sabbatical framework interpretation though, like I get to kick my feet up, relax and rest while more dogmatic positions fight it out.

Kurieuo wrote:There are perks with my Sabbatical framework interpretation though, like I get to kick my feet up, relax and rest while more dogmatic positions fight it out.

You might be able to guess how it all looks like kids talking about star wars, to me.

The dogmosis aspect just makes it funnier.

Audie wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:There are perks with my Sabbatical framework interpretation though, like I get to kick my feet up, relax and rest while more dogmatic positions fight it out.

You might be able to guess how it all looks like kids talking about star wars, to me.

The dogmosis aspect just makes it funnier.

Yes, I've noticed you like to create some sparks to have a laugh at times at different theological sides clashing.