chocloateonly wrote:Some of you here have just lumped all teachers (of this subject) as having an agenda against god. It has been my experience that such teachers are really the exception to the rule. In fact, most teachers of evolution are interested in teaching it properly.
It seems to me that creationists (those with a strict interpretation of the bible) simply must oppose evolution at all costs. If they don't, god will have been shown not to exist. Those with a less strict interpretation, don't have this problem.
In response to HelpMe God, there are no credible stats/articles that I have found that show a cover up. In fact, because there are just so many different points of view among people/scientists (here we already seen several, just multiply that by a whole a lot), it would seem difficult to imagine there being one. What's more, it would go against everything a true scientist believes in - which is striving for the truth whatever that may be and wherever that may lead.
What concerns me about the quote from the article is the guy's expectation. If he wants it too much, he may get what he wants because of bias. If, however, he is open to wherever the evidence leads, then there should be no problem.
chocloateonly wrote:Some of you here have just lumped all teachers (of this subject) as having an agenda against god. It has been my experience that such teachers are really the exception to the rule. In fact, most teachers of evolution are interested in teaching it properly.
Yes, it is true teachers do want to teach evolution properly, however many who teach it still don't have a faith in God, at least the ones who teach non-theistic evolution. Maybe they do but they are somewhat required by the school board to teach darwinian evolution. They also don't teach the flaws of it as well. So they teach it as fact, like I had to go through in my 4 years in school. Complete non-sense. At that time I wasn't even into God and I still thought it was junk and still do. As a matter of fact, Charles Darwin in his book the
Origin of Species in the concluding chapters, he does mention God as a possible designer, but he wasn't too faith based to begin with anyways.
chocloateonly wrote:It seems to me that creationists (those with a strict interpretation of the bible) simply must oppose evolution at all costs. If they don't, god will have been shown not to exist. Those with a less strict interpretation, don't have this problem.
That is true, but the Bible can have several meanings to the word "create" just as the Hebrew word for day being "yom", can mean 12 hours, 24 hours, or an infinite time period. There are MANY different views on how we came into existence. Besides, if Darwin never did discover his evolution theory, someone else would have, probably a little different view on the theory, but not by much.
chocloateonly wrote:In response to HelpMe God, there are no credible stats/articles that I have found that show a cover up. In fact, because there are just so many different points of view among people/scientists (here we already seen several, just multiply that by a whole a lot), it would seem difficult to imagine there being one. What's more, it would go against everything a true scientist believes in - which is striving for the truth whatever that may be and wherever that may lead.
Actually, if you do a search for it, and I do mean a SEARCH, you will find cover ups at least in some form or another trying to hide evidence that there really is a designer and that secular scientists are hiding it from the public to turn us into a complete secular nation.
chocloateonly wrote:What concerns me about the quote from the article is the guy's expectation. If he wants it too much, he may get what he wants because of bias. If, however, he is open to wherever the evidence leads, then there should be no problem.
Yeah, people are open to it (where the evidence leads) and do turn from their atheistic views to a theistic or deist view. Many people have shifted their one time belief of no God to there having to be a God. Classic example, Anthony Flew, Lee Stroble, and multitudes of others.