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White whole at creation?

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:05 am
by Rianname
So, I was reading this article at http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/405.asp. I don't get the physics behind it, but this article seems to present a valid explanation for being able to see light from distant stars in a universe where earth is young...

Has this ever been addressed on G&S? If not, well, I'd like to hear people's thoughts. Is this a valid argument for a young earth?

Re: White whole at creation?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:09 am
by BGoodForGoodSake
Rianname wrote:So, I was reading this article at http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/405.asp. I don't get the physics behind it, but this article seems to present a valid explanation for being able to see light from distant stars in a universe where earth is young...

Has this ever been addressed on G&S? If not, well, I'd like to hear people's thoughts. Is this a valid argument for a young earth?
The deduction here is incorrect. Einstein's relativity theories that time is not constant is based on the principal that c is constant.

Therefore, whatever the frame of reference the speed of light is the same.
So on the edge of the authors universe time would go extremely slow on earth compared to the center of the Universe, however to an observer on earth light is still going at light speed.

Perhaps the author did not completely understand the ideas behing special relativity.

Re: White whole at creation?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:55 am
by David Turell
The deduction here is incorrect. Einstein's relativity theories that time is not constant is based on the principal that c is constant.

Therefore, whatever the frame of reference the speed of light is the same.
So on the edge of the authors universe time would go extremely slow on earth compared to the center of the Universe, however to an observer on earth light is still going at light speed.

Perhaps the author did not completely understand the ideas behing special relativity.

The problem with creation science is the attempt to find evidence in accepted science to fit the misinterpretations of Genesis in the KJV. Hebrew scholars recognize that 'yom' means any interval in time and therefore creation can cover six eons, giving plenty of time for light at its speed can reach the earth. As for changing the speed of light there is the book "Faster Than the Speed of Light," 2003, by Joao Magueijo, a theoretical mathematician, which suggests it may be possible. No sign any of the other scientists buy this idea currently.

Re: White whole at creation?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:25 am
by BGoodForGoodSake
David Turell wrote:
Therefore, whatever the frame of reference the speed of light is the same.
So on the edge of the authors universe time would go extremely slow on earth compared to the center of the Universe, however to an observer on earth light is still going at light speed.

Perhaps the author did not completely understand the ideas behing special relativity.

The problem with creation science is the attempt to find evidence in accepted science to fit the misinterpretations of Genesis in the KJV. Hebrew scholars recognize that 'yom' means any interval in time and therefore creation can cover six eons, giving plenty of time for light at its speed can reach the earth. As for changing the speed of light there is the book "Faster Than the Speed of Light," 2003, by Joao Magueijo, a theoretical mathematician, which suggests it may be possible. No sign any of the other scientists buy this idea currently.
Its a possibility.
But at this point there is no evidence for or against.

Re: White whole at creation?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:10 pm
by David Turell
Its a possibility.
But at this point there is no evidence for or against
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The other issue in the article in creation science is the statement that clocks in tall buildings run slower, and that the slowing is due to gravity. Clocks in satellites run slower due to the velocity of the satellite. The same should be true in tall buildings, since the top of buildings travel faster than at ground level