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Microevolution, thoughts

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:29 am
by numeral2_5
Do christians generally believe in microevolution?

RE:

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:32 am
by Ark~Magic
I think so, I definately do. There's some good christian sites regarding this (read the links I sent you in your Private Messages, if you haven't already.)

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:50 am
by numeral2_5
Where do I access these private messages?

RE:

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:30 am
by Ark~Magic
Uh, up where it says "You have 1 messages". Don't ever forget to look at that.

microevolution

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:55 pm
by ray
What is microevolution?

Ray

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:09 pm
by SUGAAAAA
From what I understand, micro is evolution in animals that includes mutations and natural selection, and what-not. Macro deals with actual changes in species.

There is an article on this site, with a more in depth explanation.

http://evidence.info/evolution/evolution.html

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:09 pm
by Zenith
microevolution is evolution. what a lot of creationists fail to consider is that, over a long period of time, small changes add up to big changes. the theory of evolution theorizes that small changes occur due to mostly gene differentiation and partly gene mutation, and the organism's probability of survival based on their environment. over thousands or millions of years, these small changes add up. the rate of change depends on how long it takes for the organism to reach sexual maturity and reproduce (if it ever does). evolution in bacteria can be seen right before your eyes because they reproduce constantly, but it takes hundreds of thousands of years for organisms like hominids to evolve, because our lifespan is so drawn out.

another thing, why is the theory of evolution seen as an atheist view? i find it extremely possible and quite probable that god does not take an active role in the progression of the universe, and that he keeps track of things through the 'laws' that science is currently discovering. woulnd't an omnipotent being be able to do this? and wouldn't an omnipotent being be more likely to create a self-sustaining (or at least partly self-sustaining) universe? the way i see it, no science lessens the power of god, in fact i would venture to say that all science reveals how intricate and perfect the universe has been made.

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:16 pm
by August
Zenith wrote:another thing, why is the theory of evolution seen as an atheist view? i find it extremely possible and quite probable that god does not take an active role in the progression of the universe, and that he keeps track of things through the 'laws' that science is currently discovering. woulnd't an omnipotent being be able to do this? and wouldn't an omnipotent being be more likely to create a self-sustaining (or at least partly self-sustaining) universe? the way i see it, no science lessens the power of god, in fact i would venture to say that all science reveals how intricate and perfect the universe has been made.
It is seen as an atheist view because of the exact reasons that you stated, it removes a theistic God and installs a deistic god. Why do some of the major biology texts, and some articles written by evolutionists, in science magazines and journals state that evolution removes the need for God, if it was so obvious that the two are compatible?

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:03 pm
by Mystical
Zenith: No matter how much time you have, you cannot make a single-celled organism become a fish or a fish become an amphibian, or a mammal, or an ape become a person, or a dinosaur become a bird. That is macroevolution.

There is no proof for macroevolution.

There is proof for microevolution--small changes. Small changes that never become big enough to make anything something else.

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:57 pm
by BGoodForGoodSake
Mystical wrote:Zenith: No matter how much time you have, you cannot make a single-celled organism become a fish or a fish become an amphibian, or a mammal, or an ape become a person, or a dinosaur become a bird. That is macroevolution.

There is no proof for macroevolution.

There is proof for microevolution--small changes. Small changes that never become big enough to make anything something else.
Will microevolution allow this?

Flying squirrelImage

Grey SquirrelImage

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:15 pm
by Mystical
That's a cool question. My first answer would be no because the flying squirrel is not a subspecies of the grey squirrel. I am going to research this and I will let you know if I change my mind.

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:20 pm
by August
BGoodForGoodSake wrote: Will microevolution allow this?

Flying squirrelImage

Grey SquirrelImage
Can God create that?

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:32 pm
by BGoodForGoodSake
August wrote:
BGoodForGoodSake wrote: Will microevolution allow this?

Can God create that?
Of course!
=)

But microevolution has been shown to be true, this could possibly fall under microevolution.

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:35 pm
by August
LOL

We are chasing each other around like those grey squirrels do in spring.

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:40 pm
by BGoodForGoodSake
August wrote:LOL

We are chasing each other around like those grey squirrels do in spring.
=)