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Jewish Sacrifical System, Atonement and Jesus

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:44 am
by Christian2
According to a Jew I know and what I have determined by some Jewish Internet sources blood sacrifices were only for unintentional sins and animal sacrifices only covered relatively minor unintentional sins.

If this is true then when we Christians say that Jesus died for our sins, His blood sacrifice only covered the little unintentional sins. What about the intentional sins? How did Jesus cover them?

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:31 pm
by Bernie
Hi Christian2,

I think this is a good question. Seems to me the Bible says the one who sins intentionally will be cut off and die re Deut 15:30-36, Ezek 18:4 and other places.

Jesus' atonement appears not to cover intentional sin, thus the eternality of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit re Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10.

The rationally esoteric sense of Scripture is the only way to solve this seeming puzzle, by the way....

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:05 pm
by IRQ Conflict
Bernie wrote:Jesus' atonement appears not to cover intentional sin, thus the eternality of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit re Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10.
Luk 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
Luk 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
Luk 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is but one, and the only sin not covered.

How many sins are there that are unintentional? Opps, sorry I didn't mean to rob that bank.

If Jesus' Sacrifice wasn't good enough to cover ALL sins, save for the blaspheing of the Holy Spirit no one would be saved.

Q

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:28 pm
by Bernie
Hello IRQ,
How many sins are there that are unintentional? Opps, sorry I didn't mean to rob that bank.
I'm not sure I understand the question in light of the second comment. Could you elaborate?
If Jesus' Sacrifice wasn't good enough to cover ALL sins, save for the blaspheing of the Holy Spirit no one would be saved.
I suspect blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is performed with incredible frequency, yet if what you say is true, that Jesus died for all sins, then even blasphemy is forgiveable.

"....all things are possible with God." (Mark 10:27)

Do you believe Scripture is true?

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:59 pm
by August
To add to the question, is unbelief a sin?

Re: Q

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:23 am
by IRQ Conflict
Bernie wrote:Hello IRQ,
How many sins are there that are unintentional? Opps, sorry I didn't mean to rob that bank.
I'm not sure I understand the question in light of the second comment. Could you elaborate?
If Jesus' Sacrifice wasn't good enough to cover ALL sins, save for the blaspheing of the Holy Spirit no one would be saved.
I suspect blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is performed with incredible frequency, yet if what you say is true, that Jesus died for all sins, then even blasphemy is forgiveable.

"....all things are possible with God." (Mark 10:27)

Do you believe Scripture is true?
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is to give credit to someone or something other than the Holy Spirit for what the Spirit did. That is my understanding of it. Yes all things are possible with God, that does not change the fact the God Himself said that Blasphemy of Christ was forgivable but the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was not.

The question above was strictly sarcastic. What I meant by saying this is that most sins are intentional having foreknowledge of good and evil. If we continue in any sin in an unrepentive way we will be judged on it.

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:27 am
by IRQ Conflict
August wrote:To add to the question, is unbelief a sin?
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:11 Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

I would say so, yes.

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:37 am
by August
IRQ Conflict wrote:
August wrote:To add to the question, is unbelief a sin?
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:11 Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

I would say so, yes.
Then that begs the question, if Jesus died for all sin, are unbelievers saved?

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:59 am
by IRQ Conflict
No, unbelievers are not saved. No one comes to the Father but through Christ.