Lucy's Baby
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:28 am
What do people think of this story and how it fits in with our world view...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5363328.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5363328.stm
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
https://discussions.godandscience.org/
I'm not bothered or threatened by it.Silvertusk wrote:What do people think of this story and how it fits in with our world view...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5363328.stm
Really, so if evidence is pointing to intelligence (ie: intelligent design) and teachers/professors in the colleges or universities slightly menition anything about it, inside or even outside the classrooms, they are fired for they're supposed bias, while a scientist who preaches evolution in classrooms without presenting misconceptions has full authority. Is that considered a differant worldview for you, because it does to me. And people are being judged based on theyre worldview, these days.David Blacklock wrote:To Silver tusk:
>>What do people think of this story and how it fits in with our world view...<<
Trying to fit a scientific finding into any particular worldview is something that every conscientious scientist tries NOT to do. They all have biases, and they're not going to perform perfectly, but the correct approach, to the best of their ability, is to follow the evidence wherever it leads.
Which current brand of intelligent design? Intelligent Design is a relatively undeveloped theory, that doesn't mean we should abandon it. If you abandon just the basic underlining of Intelligent Design by default, your leading away from God completely. While Intelligent Design doesn't adhere to a God, its principles of irreducible complexity itself present the need for a God.David Blacklock wrote:Those who follow the evidence will abandon the current brand of intelligent design. That does not have to mean they abandon God. There are many negative innuendoes in your post, I hardly know where to start.
Yes, I understand. But what is the problem with teaching ID? Not creationism but ID? Why is evolution being taught as a fact then?David Blacklock wrote:Those who follow the evidence will abandon the current brand of intelligent design. That does not have to mean they abandon God. There are many negative innuendoes in your post, I hardly know where to start.
So the flagellum functioned exactly the same as it did prior to proteins being removed?David Blacklock wrote:What is the problem with teaching ID?
When all the rhetoric dies down, ID hangs its hat on irreducible complexity. The minute an ID advocate identifies a structure or process that is supposed to be irreducibly complex, scientists immediately show that it is not.
For example, the flagellum does NOT have to have all those proteins to function (I've forgotten how many Behe said it had to have, and that if it was missing just one, the whole scenario fell apart). Scientists immediately showed that was not true. The same thing happened with Behe's other examples.
So evolution seemed to have figured it all out by now. Since the evidence is so overwhelming and compelling, that must mean scientists have figured it all out, including the human eye perhaps, or the brain? Gee, was it that simple.ID has nothing to test, yet experimentation is central to science. That's why there are no peer reviewed articles on ID in professional peer reviewed journals.
Why is evolution taught as a fact?
Because regardless of what you read from ID type literature, the evidence is extremely compelling.
I dunno, was there supposed to be a question in there?David Blacklock wrote:Was there a question in there somewhere?
Very good David. You are now demonstrating that ID has a value then for evolution to come to it's clause. Even when scientists demonstrate suboptimal structures to support their evidence, they need to compare that evidence with the optimal structures.. I don't see the harm in that. Do you?David Blacklock wrote:What is the problem with teaching ID?
When all the rhetoric dies down, ID hangs its hat on irreducible complexity. The minute an ID advocate identifies a structure or process that is supposed to be irreducibly complex, scientists immediately show that it is not.
That is highly debatable talk there... ATP synthase structures haven't been duplicated yet in a lab under natural conditions.. Good luck with that one.David Blacklock wrote:For example, the flagellum does NOT have to have all those proteins to function (I've forgotten how many Behe said it had to have, and that if it was missing just one, the whole scenario fell apart). Scientists immediately showed that was not true. The same thing happened with Behe's other examples.
You've already demonstrated for us that ID already has a value. Why not give ID a chance? It is still young... A good scientists needs to test their theories against other theories. How do you think the theory of evolution came about?David Blacklock wrote:ID has nothing to test, yet experimentation is central to science. That's why there are no peer reviewed articles on ID in professional peer reviewed journals.
Nope.. Why is it then that only 1 in 4 Americans accept Darwinian evolution? No scientist I've ever talked to said the evolution could be proven 100%. If not, it is a theory just like all the rest of the theories out there...David Blacklock wrote:Why is evolution taught as a fact?
Because regardless of what you read from ID type literature, the evidence is extremely compelling.