Evidence for God from Science

YLTYLT wrote:From 6:2

SATAN knew that the REDEEMER of mankind must be a member of the human race (See - Gen 3:15) therefore SATAN set about to corrupt all flesh upon the earth by the union of the sons of God with the daughters of men. Both the early church fathers (e.g., Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Pseudo-Clementine, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Commodianus, Lactantius, and Martin Luther) plus Jewish historians (e.g., Josephus Flavius, the Book of Enoch, and the Septuagint translators) all understood the expression “sons of God” as referring to angels (See - Job 1:6 & job 2:1 & Job 38:7). It could be that certain "fallen" angels “which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation” cohabited with human women and thus produced mighty men who became a hybrid race. This angelic intrusion of course has been memorialized in the legends and myths of every ancient culture on Earth. In fact, most ancient races, among them the Roman, Greek, Persian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Egyptian and Hittite peoples had these tales of men who were half god and half man. Hercules is but one example. This forced entrance by SATAN'S imps created a “gene pool” problem that God had to solve by destroying the earth with the FLOOD.


From 6:9

Noah was not only a just (i.e., saved) man, but his genealogy (i.e., gene structure) was perfect, that is, it was not tarnished by the intrusion of the fallen angels.

FFC wrote:

YLTYLT wrote:From 6:2

SATAN knew that the REDEEMER of mankind must be a member of the human race (See - Gen 3:15) therefore SATAN set about to corrupt all flesh upon the earth by the union of the sons of God with the daughters of men. Both the early church fathers (e.g., Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Pseudo-Clementine, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Commodianus, Lactantius, and Martin Luther) plus Jewish historians (e.g., Josephus Flavius, the Book of Enoch, and the Septuagint translators) all understood the expression “sons of God” as referring to angels (See - Job 1:6 & job 2:1 & Job 38:7). It could be that certain "fallen" angels “which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation” cohabited with human women and thus produced mighty men who became a hybrid race. This angelic intrusion of course has been memorialized in the legends and myths of every ancient culture on Earth. In fact, most ancient races, among them the Roman, Greek, Persian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Egyptian and Hittite peoples had these tales of men who were half god and half man. Hercules is but one example. This forced entrance by SATAN'S imps created a “gene pool” problem that God had to solve by destroying the earth with the FLOOD.


From 6:9

Noah was not only a just (i.e., saved) man, but his genealogy (i.e., gene structure) was perfect, that is, it was not tarnished by the intrusion of the fallen angels.

That is the way I always heard it. I'm not sure if it is true but it makes sense.

The first, and oldest, belief is that "the sons of God" were fallen angels who consorted with human women, producing giant offspring called nephilim (Heb. ). This view was widely held in the world of the first century, and was supported by Flavius Josephus, Philo, Eusebius and many of the "Ante-Nicene Fathers," including Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Athenagoras and Commodianus. see: http://usainprophecy.tripod.com/theusai ... /id14.html

Josephus' history of the Jewish people:
Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers, and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed to them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness; whereby they made God to be their enemy, for many angels* of God accompanied with women and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians called giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and, being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better; but, seeing that they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land. (p. 32; bk. 1, ch. 3, §§72-74, The Antiquities of the Jews,

As you can see, Josephus believed and recorded that "the sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6 were fallen angels. As Whitson's footnote acknowledges, this belief was standard in the ancient world.

He also spoke of Giants (see: http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Mid.E ... phus-54325 )

Josephus on the Giants
After telling in his histories what great difficulty the people of Judah faced in their long siege against Jebus, Josephus next reports that they left there to assist Caleb against the giants at Hebron. "And when they had taken it," he adds, "they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left a race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men."146

Josephus also writes that Jews who lived at Hebron as late as his day occasionally dug up human bones of a gigantic size that apparently belonged to the Anakim who once dominated that region.147 He further declares that the king of Persia sent a Jew called Eleazar the Giant, who stood seven cubits, or over ten feet tall, to Rome along with some other hostages as part of a peace agreement.148 (See Eleazar the Giant; Israel's Wars with the Giants)

Another well-known first century Jewish writer, Philo of Alexandria, shared Josephus' views on this topic. In his work "On the Giants," Philo wrote:
"And when the angels of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, they took unto themselves wives of all them whom they chose." Those beings, whom other philosophers call demons, Moses usually calls angels . . . (p. 152, The Works of Philo, "De Gigantibus," translated by C.D. Yonge)

omimanordude wrote:thanks you guys for the replies, appreciate them.
meforevidence shows a great deal of information on this, but going back to the beginning of the argument, fallen angels were demons, correct? If that is true, than it should be true that they are asexual, like when they were angels in Heaven, Matthew 22:23-30. heres richs article once more
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/nephilim.html#11

YLTYLT wrote:

omimanordude wrote:thanks you guys for the replies, appreciate them.
meforevidence shows a great deal of information on this, but going back to the beginning of the argument, fallen angels were demons, correct? If that is true, than it should be true that they are asexual, like when they were angels in Heaven, Matthew 22:23-30. heres richs article once more
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/nephilim.html#11

I am not sure where I heard or read this. But I have heard that all angels are male - not asexual. This would explain why there is no procreation of angels. And if in fact angels are called "SONS" of God, then I would presume them to be male because they are sons.

Does anyone have additional Biblcal verificatation for this?

FFC wrote:

YLTYLT wrote:

omimanordude wrote:thanks you guys for the replies, appreciate them.
meforevidence shows a great deal of information on this, but going back to the beginning of the argument, fallen angels were demons, correct? If that is true, than it should be true that they are asexual, like when they were angels in Heaven, Matthew 22:23-30. heres richs article once more
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/nephilim.html#11

I am not sure where I heard or read this. But I have heard that all angels are male - not asexual. This would explain why there is no procreation of angels. And if in fact angels are called "SONS" of God, then I would presume them to be male because they are sons.

Does anyone have additional Biblcal verificatation for this?

I know that I have never seen any female angels mentioned in the bible.

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FFC wrote:

YLTYLT wrote:From 6:2

SATAN knew that the REDEEMER of mankind must be a member of the human race (See - Gen 3:15) therefore SATAN set about to corrupt all flesh upon the earth by the union of the sons of God with the daughters of men. Both the early church fathers (e.g., Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, Pseudo-Clementine, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Commodianus, Lactantius, and Martin Luther) plus Jewish historians (e.g., Josephus Flavius, the Book of Enoch, and the Septuagint translators) all understood the expression “sons of God” as referring to angels (See - Job 1:6 & job 2:1 & Job 38:7). It could be that certain "fallen" angels “which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation” cohabited with human women and thus produced mighty men who became a hybrid race. This angelic intrusion of course has been memorialized in the legends and myths of every ancient culture on Earth. In fact, most ancient races, among them the Roman, Greek, Persian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Egyptian and Hittite peoples had these tales of men who were half god and half man. Hercules is but one example. This forced entrance by SATAN'S imps created a “gene pool” problem that God had to solve by destroying the earth with the FLOOD.


From 6:9

Noah was not only a just (i.e., saved) man, but his genealogy (i.e., gene structure) was perfect, that is, it was not tarnished by the intrusion of the fallen angels.

That is the way I always heard it. I'm not sure if it is true but it makes sense.

The main problem with this explanation is that there is no evidence of angels being able to procreate, and if it is possible for them to, why don't we have hybrid human/angels being born today? Surely the fallen angels wouldn't just give up such a "good" plan after trying it only once...