Marijuana and God
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:45 pm
Is it right or wrong? I need a more detailed answer than the article on this website thanks.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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There are many people who have been using cannabis for thousands of years to get closer to god. But there are also many people who feel that a pure and non-toxicated body brings them closer to divine life.Marijuana wrote:Is it right or wrong? I need a more detailed answer than the article on this website thanks.
This is simply not true. You say this because of your own inhibitions, not because of what you have observed. Yes, there are many who worship it and by doing so they degrade their lives. But for the most part, the people who use cannabis and have been using it do so just as you or I might eat chocolate.puritan lad wrote:The main problem with those who want to legalize it is that they worship it as an idol. They are obsessed with it's use. Legal or illegal, they are practicing wickedness.
First of all, those who use it today are committing a crime, and that in and of itself makes it wicked.RoyLennigan wrote:But for the most part, the people who use cannabis and have been using it do so just as you or I might eat chocolate.
I'm sure there are some things in US law that go against the bible. If so, which would you say is the higher authority? Would you fight against the government to change the law so it allows for (at least) christians to be under God's law instead?puritan lad wrote:First of all, those who use it today are committing a crime, and that in and of itself makes it wicked.RoyLennigan wrote:But for the most part, the people who use cannabis and have been using it do so just as you or I might eat chocolate.
Yes, that lazy old woman with cancer who can't eat and is in constant pain is certainly vain by trying to make cannabis legalpuritan lad wrote:Second, those who want to make it legal do so in order to satisfy their own vain desires. Otherwise, cannabis laws wouldn't mean so much to them.
I know very many christians who smoke weed. It does not lessen their faith to God or Christ, in fact, I would say it strengthens it. I think it is crude and unchristian for you to label such people as you did without even knowing them. Your harsh and unforgiving words make me think that it is they who are more worthy of Christ's love than you.puritan lad wrote:Granted, if it were a legal substance in the civil arena, there may be some debate as to whether or not it's use is sinful. However, you know as well as I do that the pro-hemp advocates aren't interested in obedience to God. For them, cannabis is an obsession. It is the very thing that drives their worldview, and they cannot rest until they are able to partake of this stuff without fear of civil authorities.
puritan lad wrote:Yes, it is idolatry and wickedness.
Protecting others from harm is often seen as patronizing and interferring by those who don't want that protection, but the reality often is that harm does occur and that others get to pay the cost - such as the citizen who, abiding by the law, suffers from the actions of those who have just broken it. We do not live in isolation from each other, and the actions of one invariably affects another. It is a matter of finding a balance between safeguarding citizens from the actions of others (and any self-harming ones of their own) and allowing freedom of choice. It may well be far more harmful to put no obstacle before those who would take a particular action than it is to try and stop them. Also, the cry of discrimination is frequently heard these days by those who would renounce responsibility for any harmful consequences to others in the pursuit of ill-considered self gratification. Discrimination occurs constantly, and often for the good of everyone. If we do not discriminate, then we can make no proper decisions at all.It is also 'vain desire' for those who stereotypically antagonize and persecute users of certain substances. They do more harm to those they discriminate against than the discriminatees do to them.
If smoking weed is a sin, then it goes without saying that those Christians you know are committing a sin. Where smoking it is illegal, then it is a sin by definition in that we are to abide by the law of the land where it does not transgress God's law. I have seen a lot of damage done by the smoking of weed and any self-harm is in opposition to God's will for His dearly loved children. I doubt very much that such an activity strengthens Christian faith. The strengthening of Christian faith comes through living according to God's will and by the grace of the Holy Spirit. It has nothing to do with weed. Indeed, weed may give one the false impression of wellbeing and peace which is not God-given at all. That some Christians do something certainly does not make it right. Sin is defined by God, not by ourselves. None of us are worthy of Christ's love - not one of us, weed smoking or not. We receive it solely by the goodness and grace of God, by His mercy, not by any doing on our part.I know very many christians who smoke weed. It does not lessen their faith to God or Christ, in fact, I would say it strengthens it. I think it is crude and unchristian for you to label such people as you did without even knowing them. Your harsh and unforgiving words make me think that it is they who are more worthy of Christ's love than you.
Images are ways of beholding God - such as art, poetry, music, and even our simple thoughts that we have of God. How we conceive of Him in our minds naturally make use of images. These are not what is meant by idols. An idol is a false god, something that is put up and worshipped (or held in utmost importance) instead of God. It is important to be clear about the object of worship - the piece of wood and plaster, or beyond that, the reality that is God Himself. I personally don't know any Christian who worships a piece of wood and plaster, nor do I know one who believes God is "an old white guy with a beard". You made mention earlier of stereotypes, but here you revert to one that is archaic and totally unworthy. Michelangelo created some wonderful works of art, but he did not create God Himself. Most Christians are quite clear about that.Did not God say to make no graven images of him? Do you not idolize him as a man on a cross? or as an old white guy with a beard? Do you not idolize so many aspects of your own beliefs? What is the difference? God made cannabis, after all.
RoyLennigan wrote:I'm sure there are some things in US law that go against the bible. If so, which would you say is the higher authority? Would you fight against the government to change the law so it allows for (at least) Christians to be under God's law instead?puritan lad wrote:First of all, those who use it today are committing a crime, and that in and of itself makes it wicked.RoyLennigan wrote:But for the most part, the people who use cannabis and have been using it do so just as you or I might eat chocolate.
Besides, what if I live in British Columbia?
Nowhere do I remember God specifically ordering people to smoke marijuana, so if the law says it is illegal then it is sinful to do so.Titus 3:1-2 wrote:1 Remind the believers to submit to the government and its officers. They should be obedient, always ready to do what is good. 2 They must not slander anyone and must avoid quarreling. Instead, they should be gentle and show true humility to everyone.
No one is persecuting users of marijuana here, we're just pointing out the facts because Marijuana asked whether smoking it is wrong from a biblical point a view. Sure, it can be used for medical purposes, but I highly doubt that is what he was asking. The fact is that marijuana is harmful to your mind and body. You can't be an effective example of Christ if you're high and out of touch with reality. Drugs are addictive and cause people to constantly seek out their next “fix”. While marijuana may not be the most addictive drug out there, I don't see any benefit from any degree of this type of behavior.Yes, that lazy old woman with cancer who can't eat and is in constant pain is certainly vain by trying to make cannabis legalpuritan lad wrote:Second, those who want to make it legal do so in order to satisfy their own vain desires. Otherwise, cannabis laws wouldn't mean so much to them.
It is also 'vain desire' for those who stereotypically antagonize and persecute users of certain substances. They do more harm to those they discriminate against than the discriminates do to them.
I know very many Christians who smoke weed. It does not lessen their faith to God or Christ, in fact, I would say it strengthens it. I think it is crude and unchristian for you to label such people as you did without even knowing them. Your harsh and unforgiving words make me think that it is they who are more worthy of Christ's love than you.puritan lad wrote:Granted, if it were a legal substance in the civil arena, there may be some debate as to whether or not its use is sinful. However, you know as well as I do that the pro-hemp advocates aren't interested in obedience to God. For them, cannabis is an obsession. It is the very thing that drives their worldview, and they cannot rest until they are able to partake of this stuff without fear of civil authorities.
How is a drug that causes such effects going to help you grow closer to God? If you want to grow in your faith then study the Bible and pray, for starters. If you honestly think there is anything good that can come from smoking drugs then you are in serious denial and need to get yourself to a rehabilitation center immediately. I'm sorry if that sounds cruel, but telling someone that using illegal drugs will help them grow closer to God is much, much worse.http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/Marijuana/Marijuana3.html wrote:Heavy marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form memories, recall events, and shift attention from one thing to another. THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia, parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination of movement, and reaction time.
The real intent of the 'no idols' command was because people in biblical times often worshiped idols and thought there was more than one God. This doesn't happen much today but people still idolize different things, such as fame and wealth, not by bowing down of making offerings to them, but by making them the goal of their life. The cross is nothing more than a symbol and reminder of what God did for us. Worshiping the cross itself wouldn't be any different than worshiping a Nazi gas chamber, because that's what the cross was, a killing machine. Mental images, on the other hand, are pretty much necessary because of how we think. God is a spirit, which is something we can't understand because it is outside what we can observe, so we compare what we know about God to things that we do understand. How you do that doesn't really matter too much as long as you understand that God isn't a physical being.puritan lad wrote:Yes, it is idolatry and wickedness.
Did not God say to make no graven images of him? Do you not idolize him as a man on a cross? or as an old white guy with a beard? Do you not idolize so many aspects of your own beliefs? What is the difference? God made cannabis, after all.
You can say Morphine is mind Altering. Some people don't know if they are coming or goingIRQ Conflict wrote:In Canada it is a legal medicinal drug (we have farms for it here), however like any other drug, it can and does get abused. Any mind altering drug I believe to be wrong.
Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Does God have a law that says that we are to use cannabis? I wasn't aware of that one .I'm sure there are some things in US law that go against the bible. If so, which would you say is the higher authority? Would you fight against the government to change the law so it allows for (at least) christians to be under God's law instead?
Why doesn't that “lazy old woman” use legal drugs that doctors can prescribe for her pain, drugs that will be far more effective?Yes, that lazy old woman with cancer who can't eat and is in constant pain is certainly vain by trying to make cannabis legal
It is also 'vain desire' for those who stereotypically antagonize and persecute users of certain substances. They do more harm to those they discriminate against than the discriminatees do to them.
No, you know of many “professed” Christians who smoke weed. They do not know God, because they live a life in violation His commandments and commit Crimes against God's ministers of good (Romans 13:10-4). They have no fear in Him whatsoever.I know very many christians who smoke weed. It does not lessen their faith to God or Christ, in fact, I would say it strengthens it. I think it is crude and unchristian for you to label such people as you did without even knowing them. Your harsh and unforgiving words make me think that it is they who are more worthy of Christ's love than you.
That about says it all. Too bad the apostles and prophets weren't aware of this faith building exerciseIt does not lessen their faith to God or Christ, in fact, I would say it strengthens it.