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Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:12 pm
by JCSx2
12. What is the correct belief concerning the Lord's Supper/communion/the Eucharist?
The bread and wine are actually changed in substance to Christ's body and blood, so that they are no more bread and wine in essence, but exclusively the body and blood of our Lord.
The bread and wine are changed so that they become one in substance with Christ's body and blood, that their essence is changed into the body and blood without losing their natural properties.
The bread and wine remain only bread and wine in substance, but by partaking them, faithful believers receive Christ's physical body and blood through the power of the Spirit.
The bread and wine remain only bread and wine in substance, and are not means of grace, but are simply a sign of what they represent and a memorial of Christ's sacrifice.
Not sure
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:18 pm
by jenna
Not sure about this one, going to read up on it. I think (at this time) that they are a memorial of His sacrifice for us. I may get a better understanding after reading on this.
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:55 pm
by johnt
It is the first one. Every morsel is changed to His Body and every drop is His Blood.
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:43 pm
by johnt
I just finished reading an indepth paper on the subject about a half hour ago. My head is really startig to hurt. If anyone would like the link I will post it. It is very long and is in the Catholic Encyclopidia. Talk about theology and arguement. My head still hurts after that one!
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:25 pm
by FFC
I'm always been taught it was just bread and wine that we partook of in remebrence of Jesus and what He did for us. What would be the point of physically eating his body and drinking His blood?
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:15 pm
by zoegirl
I agree, FFC, although I think in the uniqueness in the act and in the power of the "remembrance" there IS a change in the significance of the bread and wine. (I don't think they change in sunstance, but change in significance). I think that is why there are warnings about blithely taking communion and preparing one's heart for the act.
One resource (certainly protestant)
http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_w ... index.html (if you go here, you can click on the numbers and see the scripture verses used to build the doctrine)
westminster wrote:
I. Our Lord Jesus, in the night wherein He was betrayed, instituted the sacrament of His body and blood, called the Lord's Supper, to be observed in His Church, unto the end of the world, for the perpetual remembrance of the sacrifice of Himself in His death; the sealing all benefits thereof unto true believers, their spiritual nourishment and growth in Him, their further engagement in and to all duties which they owe unto Him; and, to be a bond and pledge of their communion with Him, and with each other, as members of His mystical body.[1]
II. In this sacrament, Christ is not offered up to His Father; nor any real sacrifice made at all, for remission of sins of the quick or dead;[2] but only a commemoration of that one offering up of Himself, by Himself, upon the cross, once for all: and a spiritual oblation of all possible praise unto God, for the same:[3] so that the popish sacrifice of the mass (as they call it) is most abominably injurious to Christ's one, only sacrifice, the alone propitiation for all the sins of His elect.[4]
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V. The outward elements in this sacrament, duly set apart to the uses ordained by Christ, have such relation to Him crucified, as that, truly, yet sacramentally only, they are sometimes called by the name of the things they represent, to wit, the body and blood of Christ;[10] albeit, in substance and nature, they still remain truly and only bread and wine, as they were before.[11]
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:31 pm
by JCSx2
This is what I believe.
The bread and wine are changed so that they become one in substance with Christ's body and blood, that their essence is changed into the body and blood without losing their natural properties.
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:16 am
by Byblos
FFC wrote:What would be the point of physically eating his body and drinking His blood?
Because that's what he commanded us to do.
Another source (certainly Catholic
).
Scott Hahn's Eucharist article (actually lecture) is some of the best I've seen on the subject. Not only does it provide a solid case for the reasons behind Jesus' command (actual body and blood) but also scriptural support of how it ties in with the Passover meal and what "It is finished" means. I recommend it for whoever is looking for a Catholic perspective on the Holy Communion.
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:00 am
by johnt
Here is the article on that defines the subject we are discussing.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:12 pm
by FFC
Byblos wrote:Because that's what he commanded us to do.
I wondered how long it would take you to respond, Brother.
Do we need to get the emoticon with the pope hat?
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:49 pm
by Swamper
FFC wrote:Byblos wrote:Because that's what he commanded us to do.
I wondered how long it would take you to respond, Brother.
Do we need to get the emoticon with the pope hat?
Hahaha...it could be Pope Emoticus I!
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:02 pm
by Byblos
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:45 am
by FFC
Byblos wrote:maybe with a stetson, make him a southern pope.
A religious and political figure with a cowboy hat?
Where have I seen that before.
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:53 am
by FFC
Look, Byblos!
Is that close enough? K is on a roll!
Re: Test Question...What say you?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:03 am
by Byblos
FFC wrote:Look, Byblos!
Is that close enough? K is on a roll!
that is too funny.
