Evidence for God from Science

Someone on this forum a while back posed an interesting question about the OEC day age model.

If plants were created on the third day, and the translucent cloud was removed on the fourth day (which would come possibly millions of years later), how would the plants survive for that long, or even grow in the first place, without being exposed to the sunrays to photosynthesize? The answer might be very obvious and I just don't know a lot about plants, but I thought I'd ask.

And on the Third day God took a vacation... Because he got tired of all the questions... (sorry)

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Seraph wrote:Someone one this forum a while back posed an interesting question about the OEC day age model.

If plants were created on the third day, and the transluent cloud was removed on the fourth day (which would come possibly millions of years later), how would the plants survive for that long, or even grow in the first place, without being exposed to the sunrays to photosynthesize? The answer might be very obvious and I just don't know a lot about plants, but I thought I'd ask.

I guess the question revolves around how much light energy would be prevented form reaching the plants. Even on a mildly cloudy day when the sun is obscured, some light energy is available for photosynthesis.

And for some of the earliest forms of photosynthetic life, the single celled protists, the algae, and the mosses (which are the forms that need the most water) , perhaps that available sun was enough.
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It's Friday... Are you referring to Genesis 1:3-5?

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Some people refer to this verse as a different type of light, like God's "Shekinah" glory, but I don't believe that. I believe that was when God created our sun. It was simply reiterated in Genesis 1:16 so there was always a sun around....

I guess the question revolves around how much light energy would be prevented form reaching the plants. Even on a mildly cloudy day when the sun is obscured, some light energy is available for photosynthesis.

And for some of the earliest forms of photosynthetic life, the single celled protists, the algae, and the mosses (which are the forms that need the most water) , perhaps that available sun was enough.
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This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the whole thing.

I also agree with Gman (and pretty much every other OEC) that the sun was created on the first day in Gen 1:3-5 and that Gen1:16 is a recap of a past event. It makes the most sense, plus I would have a pretty difficult time accepting that the sun and stars were created after the earth.

Seraph wrote:This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the whole thing.

I also agree with Gman (and pretty much every other OEC) that the sun was created on the first day in Gen 1:3-5 and that Gen1:16 is a recap of a past event. It makes the most sense, plus I would have a pretty difficult time accepting that the sun and stars were created after the earth.

It can be a bit confusing because we often try to wrap our western minds around the eastern minds... When the Jews wrote scripture they often used broad terms or reiterated things in their language to make a point. Genesis is meant to be more mystical than taken literal in many cases... Many Jews, for the most part, take Genesis to be symbolic and not literal.

There might be more to this... I've learned throughout my studies that G-d has a purpose for everything and this includes certain segments of the Bible that tend to repeat themselves. Such as observing the Sabbath (7th day) found in the beginning of Genesis, and than later finding its importance repeated (included) in the ten commandments. The reason G-d may have reiterated its importance, may have been because He knew in the future that the evolutionists would try to disclaim that He created earth in a literal 6 days verses millions of years.

Here the passages I've cited above:

Genesis 1:3 - And G-d said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

(3rd day) Genesis 1:16 - G-d made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

Genesis 2:3 - And G-d blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Exodus 20:8 - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Following this though, perhaps Genesis 1:16 was reiterated for the mere reason that the sun being mentioned again on the third day was actually a foresighted prelude to Jesus' resurrection on the third day. Hosea 6:2 - After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence. Luke 9:22 - And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."

The son/Sun (Jesus) rising on the 3rd day.

OK, what I think is that, according to the main site 'God and Science.org', the Hebrew word used on the fourth day when the sun is introduced is different to the Hebrew word 'bara', which means to create from nothing.

In other words, God made the sun on the first day when He said, 'let there be light', and it was first visible to the earth on the fourth day of creation.

The Hebrew word for light is pronounced OWR , but its spelled AUR (aleph, vav, resh) :