Are we in the end times?
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:18 pm
Greetings, I just joined. I have a question for the posters on this board. As the title of this thread asks, "are we in the end times?" Below I have the verses from a site about what signs to look for, for the end times. In bold and italics I have a response from someone who is skeptical that we are in the end times. I was wondering if those here could help me with the debate. Essentially the skeptic takes each "sign" as not being a "sign" of the end times. His argument is that these things have happened in the past so how can we be in the end times.
Does anyone here have more evidence that things are getting worse then they were in the past?
Thanks.
FALSE PROPHETS AND CHRISTS
Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will mislead many."
Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many."
In the last several years many have claimed to be the Messiah. Jim Jones and David Koresh are examples of these false christs as well as countless others who are not as newsworthy.
-people that use religion in wicked ways has been going on for centuries.. why is this now a sign of the end times?
3. FAMINES
Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."
The undernourished are not limited to Africa, however. A large portion of the worlds 5 billion people suffers from a shortage of food.
right now the world population is actually 6.4 billion. You can find historical records of famine throughout history. and with over 6 billion people in the world, its not unusual that famine occurs in large numbers.
1. EXISTENCE OF A 200,000,000 MAN ARMY IN THE EAST
Revelation 9:16 "And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them."
An army of that size had never existed until China's army reached that number in the 1960's.
2. REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE (EUROPEAN COMMUNITY)
Daniel 2:32-33 "The head of the statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay."
and this verse means exactly what?????
3. RETURN OF THE ONE PURE LANGUAGE, HEBREW, TO ISRAEL
Zephaniah 3:9 "For then I will return to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."
a "pure language" could mean anything... so why do you think this means the restoration of the hebrew language in Israel?
6. INCREASE IN KNOWLEDGE AND TRAVEL
Daniel 12:4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."
knowledge of what??? another verse that could mean ANYTHING.
1. GODLESSNESS IN THE LAST DAYS
II Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
this has been going on since before the days of Noah. Why is this all of the sudden a sign of the end times? also you must consider that world population has grown tremendously and this most likely has an effect on statistics of criminal acts.
2. APOSTASY (FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH)
religions change all the time... this is nothing new.
Does anyone here have more evidence that things are getting worse then they were in the past?
Thanks.
FALSE PROPHETS AND CHRISTS
Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will mislead many."
Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many."
In the last several years many have claimed to be the Messiah. Jim Jones and David Koresh are examples of these false christs as well as countless others who are not as newsworthy.
-people that use religion in wicked ways has been going on for centuries.. why is this now a sign of the end times?
3. FAMINES
Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes."
The undernourished are not limited to Africa, however. A large portion of the worlds 5 billion people suffers from a shortage of food.
right now the world population is actually 6.4 billion. You can find historical records of famine throughout history. and with over 6 billion people in the world, its not unusual that famine occurs in large numbers.
1. EXISTENCE OF A 200,000,000 MAN ARMY IN THE EAST
Revelation 9:16 "And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them."
An army of that size had never existed until China's army reached that number in the 1960's.
2. REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE (EUROPEAN COMMUNITY)
Daniel 2:32-33 "The head of the statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay."
and this verse means exactly what?????
3. RETURN OF THE ONE PURE LANGUAGE, HEBREW, TO ISRAEL
Zephaniah 3:9 "For then I will return to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."
a "pure language" could mean anything... so why do you think this means the restoration of the hebrew language in Israel?
6. INCREASE IN KNOWLEDGE AND TRAVEL
Daniel 12:4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."
knowledge of what??? another verse that could mean ANYTHING.
1. GODLESSNESS IN THE LAST DAYS
II Timothy 3:1-5,7 "But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
this has been going on since before the days of Noah. Why is this all of the sudden a sign of the end times? also you must consider that world population has grown tremendously and this most likely has an effect on statistics of criminal acts.
2. APOSTASY (FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH)
religions change all the time... this is nothing new.