Evidence for God from Science

Hi,

I'm not here to get mean or anything like that, but as I read through the pages on this site I will certainly have questions.

So here is my first:

The overriding theme on the page "General Introduction for Non-Believers, Part 2: Evidence for Belief in God" is that there are many finely tuned parameters in the universe which, according to the arguments presented, could not have happened by chance.

It is posited that because the current size, density, particle ratios, etc. of the universe are exactly as they must be in order to support all physical processes which led to life on Earth, that such fine tuning is most simply explained by a designer.

My question, then, is if such fine tuning was necessary, doesn't this imply, or at least suggest, that there are overriding physical laws that god or designer must have had to follow? That is, if the universe required these particular values in order to work, and the designer needed to carefully 'fine tune' the parameters, then doesn't that mean that these requirements were out of the designer's hands (i.e. he had to obey these rules, not vice versa)?

Thanks for any insight!

Thanks for you thoughts!

In that case, I have another question (which was bound to come up anyway).

If god created these laws such that they would conform exactly to his wishes, and as the bible suggests the universe was created solely for the purpose of creating humanity, then why is the universe so darn big? The page on this site "General Introduction for Non-Believers, Part 2: Evidence for Belief in God" suggests that the universe MUST be this big in order to support life, and that a designer had to meet this size requirement in order to create life. If god could imagine the laws of the universe in any way he pleases, why require such a large and nearly empty space?

cslewislover wrote:It says here that the universe is as big as it is because of the necessity for nuclear fusion, so that the universe didn't end up being all hydrogen. It makes the univserse habitable for us, which is the main point, I think.

So this brings us back to my original question. If the current size of the universe is necessary for nuclear fusion, does that mean the designer had to obey that rule? Couldn't god have simply insisted that nuclear fusion be possible in a smaller universe?

The argument for the size of the universe which states:

God's main purpose for the universe is to allow a large number of spiritual beings (both angels and humans) to choose to spend eternity with Him.

should be disregarded on a web site proposing scientific evidence for god.

The next section on the page http://godandscience.org/apologetics/un ... large.html again mentions the physical constraints on the size of the universe. If the designer had to design the universe according to these constraints, then doesn't that suggest that there are certain physical laws to which even the designer is subject?

EASports wrote: So this brings us back to my original question. If the current size of the universe is necessary for nuclear fusion, does that mean the designer had to obey that rule? Couldn't god have simply insisted that nuclear fusion be possible in a smaller universe?

Well, if God made the rule up in the first place, because it was the best rule for his purpose, he himself was deciding upon the whole thing - it wasn't as if he had to obey something that was from the outside or preexistent. I don't know if it is possible that another rule could have been made and therefore followed, but I believe God chose what was best for his purpose and then followed it.

The argument for the size of the universe which states:

God's main purpose for the universe is to allow a large number of spiritual beings (both angels and humans) to choose to spend eternity with Him.

should be disregarded on a web site proposing scientific evidence for god.

I don't know. Is it necessary for this site to disallow faith statements and information from the Bible that is not wholly scientific? Can't they be mixed together here, as long as the science aspect is clear? I don't want to speak for Rich, the owner of the site, but I don't see why the site has to be the same as some other scientific journals or sites. Why do you think that?

The next section on the page http://godandscience.org/apologetics/un ... large.html again mentions the physical constraints on the size of the universe. If the designer had to design the universe according to these constraints, then doesn't that suggest that there are certain physical laws to which even the designer is subject?

I think I addressed that above. But I'm sure not fully for you. If I have time, I'll look into this more, but others that are more up-to-date on that subject may post here sooner.

cslewislover wrote:
I don't know. Is it necessary for this site to disallow faith statements and information from the Bible that is not wholly scientific? Can't they be mixed together here, as long as the science aspect is clear? I don't want to speak for Rich, the owner of the site, but I don't see why the site has to be the same as some other scientific journals or sites. Why do you think that?

That's fair. I suppose as long as a clear distinction is made between faith based and evidence based arguments, then he's not really sacrificing credibility.