''An Urgent Message by David Wilkerson 7th March 2009''

[catherine]

Has anyone come across David Wilkerson's 'prophecy' regarding America? I heard about it on Monday whilst watching a God channel. He's 'the' David who helped to bring Nicky Cruz to God, so I sat up and took notice. Here is the 'phropehcy':

http://davidwilkersontoday.blogspot.com ... ssage.html

I've also found this Youtube video of him talking about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szx0vurf8ko

what do you think guys?

[BavarianWheels]

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I didn't know he was the author of The Cross and the Switchblade...interesting. I saw this movie as a kid a few years after it came out.

As far as his warning, I'm sure it's a pretty generic warning as we all (Christians) know these things will happen. I'm not sure how "Alarming" this is, but I'm not alarmed.
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[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

As far as his warning, I'm sure it's a pretty generic warning as we all (Christians) know these things will happen. I'm not sure how "Alarming" this is, but I'm not alarmed.

I agree with BMW.

FL

[catherine]

To quote David briefly:

''AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US.'' (bold mine).

Hmmm, it could be a load of rubbish. Time will tell no doubt......

[zoegirl]

just sufficiently vague enough to apply to just about anything and still be scary enough to invoke fear.

Sounds like a cold-reading to me. ...

[catherine]

Just to quote him a bit more:

''For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires—such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago.'' (bold mine)

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

To quote David briefly:

''AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US.'' (bold mine).

Hmmm, it could be a load of rubbish. Time will tell no doubt......

Catherine, would you like me to remind you in a year or so that this is a load of rubbish? I could say «I told you so» on... let me see... March 12th, 2010. Is that all right with you?

FL

[catherine]

FL, if you take pleasure in saying 'I told you so' then go ahead. I have posted this article because the 'claims' are made by someone who holds considerable credibility. I am very skeptical about things like this and to be honest, it is a scary frightening 'prediction' to say the least. As David 'claims' it is to be soon, we shouldn't need to wait too long. I'm not saying I 'believe' this stuff. I've posted this link to get feedback from you guys. For example, maybe one or more of you know about past predictions by him. I'm not trying to be controversial. I share this in Christian love and hope it isn't true.

[BavarianWheels]

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The world has been in "birth pains" since the times of the Apostles. As birth pains do by nature, they get stronger and stronger...not a "real prediction", IMHO.

Something of interest would be tagged with dates/times or specific events and/or names.
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[Canuckster1127]

Predictions like this come along regularly from different sources. Pat Robertson comes to mind as someone as a commentator with a public forum who likes to issues pronouncements as to the judgment of God being poured out on America. There's a strong tradition within some branches of Christianity that has almost co-opted Israel's status of God's chosen nation for America and this becomes a parallel or platform from which pronouncements of this sort can be given to reflect "God's" displeasure with whatever political or societal trends are at work, whether it be prayer in schools, abortion, the election of a president from the "wrong" party, etc.

I don't presume to know David Wilkerson's frame of mind or motives. It may very well be that he is sincere in his communication in terms of what he believes and as such that he believes he is speaking contemporarily and prophetically.

What I do know and believe is that God doesn't have a covenant relationship with America. We are one nation on this earth among many and we have a very strong Christian heritage and have been blessed disproportianately compared with other nations with material wealth and international power. Further we have served as a platform from which the gospel message and missions have gone out strongly in the past.

That said, we're not "The" church, or the replacement for Israel. Yet that is an assumed belief by many in this nation and that faction loves to place themselves as it were back into a type of model or framework of God's relationship with Israel as portrayed in the Old Testament. So, just as prophets arose then to communicate God's displeasure and coming wrath, there's no shortage of people willing to take on the same role today.

God however, if the New Testament is to be believed, has established a new covenant and that covenant is with individuals on the basis of their relationship with God through Jesus Christ. That doesn't make these national issues unimportant nor does it exempt us as a nation from the national consequences of our corporate sin or rebellion against the principles of God, but that is no longer in the context of a national "choosing" of God of us or any other nation (although some still argue God has a special relationship still with Israel and interstingly those who attempt to co-opt that role for America at times use that recognition to argue that America must align itself with today's nation of Israel without any critical thinking about the actually validity of the positions that that at times gives rise to).

Anyone, regardless of their credibility or lack of it, can make assertions of this nature. They usually however want to assume to role of an Old Testament prophet without assuming the standards, one of which dictated that a false prophet was to be taken outside the walls and stoned.

Wilkerson is as free as anyone else to conjucture what he hears God saying to him. Something may even happen, given enough time and enough latitude in interpretting what happens against his statements. Just throwing something out there however without specificity and a time frame to see what sticks and then coming back to claim the prophetic mantle and then an authoritative voice is not a new testament model nor is it to my observation how God works in this age.

My opinion anyway for what it is worth.

blessings

bart

[rodyshusband]

The question is, how does Mr. Wilkerson know his "predictions" are true?
Is he claiming to be a prophet?
A few years back, Benny Hinn announced Jesus would appear with him on stage, Pat Robertson "revealed" a major tsumani would strike the northwest coast of the US...both claimed revelation from God.
Scripture tells us to test those who claim to be a prophet.
Regardless, as someone said once, "beware of prognostications...especially regarding the future!"

[catherine]

Canuckster, I pretty much agree with what you say.

Rodyshusband, you make some good points. David Wilkerson is claiming that the Holy Spirit has revealed this to him, so in my opinion he is putting himself forward as a prophet or he is claiming a word of knowledge.
Benny Hinn is so obviously a 'wolf in sheeps clothing' and a false apostle - that is my opinion. So if he was claiming this or other dodgy people who share the stage with Benny Hinn, then I wouldn't flicker an eyelid. David Wilkerson has got my attention as I would be very shocked if this proves to be 'false'. Would that mean he too is a false prophet? He had a powerful ministry (NIcky Cruz etc) so it would be very sad if it turns out he has been deceived. According to Wilkerson, we won't have too long to wait to see if his 'words' are true

[BavarianWheels]

The question is, how does Mr. Wilkerson know his "predictions" are true?
Is he claiming to be a prophet?

The "problem" with Mr. W's prediction is that eventually it will come true. Anyone of us could've made that same prediction and in fact most of us have probably thought the same thing. The true "prophecy" would be if Mr. W gave specific dates times, or other specifics. A general prediction the likes we're mentioning here is an easy one that's been made in the Bible already.
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[RJB]

I am not worried..If those events were to come up I would continue to do what I have started doing.. trusting in God. 1 Corinthians 16:13.

[ageofknowledge]

Brother Wilkerson wrote a book called 'The Vision' back in 1973 and every single thing he predicted in it (except for the rapture) has come to pass. He pointedly predicted pop music would progress into orgasmic raves and that 9/11 was going to occur. Just unbelievably accurate. Now he's saying this? We're in for some trouble in the near future friends. I'm poor and sick. What do you think my chances are? Not good.

//www.amazon.com/Vision-David-Wilkerson/d ... 856&sr=8-2