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Daluzinal
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So what do people here think about the L-gulonolactone oxidase gene aka GULO that humans and primates don't have?Is it a mutation from the fall of mankind?
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This has been discussed several times before, maybe search "ability to synthesize vitamin C".

Pigs and Bats and a few others also lost this ability to synthesize vitamin C before L-gulonolactone oxidase gene was switched off via point mutation. It is interesting though. One could say this is evidence of Darwinian Evolution, one could also say this is evidence of depreciation of information content in the genome, ie: the loss of function via accumulation of random mutations.

Pigs, humans, monkeys and humans share this "disability" but can we actually trace this to the source, ie: who inherited the mutation from who in the evolutionary tree of life? My view on this that that since we share common DNA it will be more likely that most if not all species will be affected inevitably by the same point mutation. Since the creative process is over its expected that we lose function with offset of species being affected as a function of time.

Darwinian evolution from this stance appears very weak, in fact I think it lends support to the design hypothesis with the fact that design degrades overtime and this being a prime example of that since the function was very much active at one point in time (the beginning of design implementation). Whats important to also think about is what species can synthesize vitamin C, rather then not. Those that can have the ability to prevent disease and live much longer.

Other questions arise about the powers of Natural Selection. NS rather then a creative force looks be nothing more then a regulator important for regulating change ie: acting as a control mechanism, playing a "conservative" role rather then a proactive role. If NS has only the ability to prevent change (random mutations) from occurring it may also have a "breaking point" or threshold. Once random mutations have accumulated at each "breaking point" they cannot be freely reversed so an accumulation of these types of changes leads inevitably to extinction.

Biblically, we can associate all this to the fall, but we can't exactly invoke anything beyond that.
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Ok didn't know that it was discussed already thanks for the reply though!
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I just searched the site on 'L-gulonolactone' and the response back from the search engine was: No suitable matches found. I see no reason to apologize. Yes it's a good habit to search first but if your search doesn't turn up anything don't be afraid to ask the question for fear it may have been talked about previously or you might have not exercised a search criteria that would have found it.
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Ask as many questions as you like!!! :P
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ageofknowledge wrote:I just searched the site on 'L-gulonolactone' and the response back from the search engine was: No suitable matches found. I see no reason to apologize. Yes it's a good habit to search first but if your search doesn't turn up anything don't be afraid to ask the question for fear it may have been talked about previously or you might have not exercised a search criteria that would have found it.
Do a search on GULO...
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