And the way YECs treat OECs is awful too.
Of course the way YECs treat OECs is awful. I already said that. Let me quote myself again:
I wrote:The way OECs an YECs treat each other is awful. I, for one, can recognize that there are Scriptural bases for both positions. I cannot believe that with the broad agreement we have against Darwinian evolution, that OECs and YECs can't be civil toward one another.
Do you think that YEC extremism justifies OECs mistreatment of YECs?
Obviously not. There is a complete lack of respect between the two camps. I think it is disgusting. The fact is, whether either side refuses to see it or not, there is a scriptural basis for BOTH positions. Obviously, both can't be right, but neither can say the other is being unbiblical. Now, you know that I lean YEC. You know that I also used to lean towards and defend OEC. My point is that everybody needs to get over themselves on this. I don't care if you are OEC or YEC. It doesn't matter a hill of beans. Both YECs and OECs reject Darwinian evolution. Both YECs and OECs believe that salvation is by faith in Christ. That's what matters.
If we want to have a deeper discussion on hermeneutics, then fine. Have one. But this garbage treatment of one another has got to stop. I would EXPECT those of us on THIS board should be exemplars of that. I would EXPECT moderators to enforce it.
Like I said, Jesus prayed for us to be one, not attack each other and say "But HE started it!" Get over it. Let's agree to disagree on some issues and face our common enemy. And when we want to have an inter-family discussion about those issues that we disagree on (i.e., death before the Fall, the nature of the Fall, the age of the earth, etc.), let's keep it civil, about the Bible, and not about one another's faith, Christianity, motives, or intelligence.
Especially when they call OEC beliefs satanic... Something I have never seen an OECer do.
I have. On these boards. Your typical response to the "age of appearance" argument are a perfect example. Let me quote Rich:
- Ultimately, the claim that the God of creation would lie to us with a false history of the universe, is a direct attack on the righteous character of God and cannot be tolerated within the Church! The God who would deceive His creatures with lies is not the God of the Bible.
I've seen people here defend this absurdity. This is the type of thing that should not be said in our discussions. No one is better than anyone else here. This is such a STUPID issue to get so bent out of shape over.
A low blow in my opinion. We do have a common enemy. Now you know I'm no friend of Darwinian evolution. Darwinian evolution, needs to be eradicated, but then we fight against one another and make each other look like fools (especially to the outside world). I would be happy to let my guard down if the other group would do so as well but I'm not sure if that is possible.
An argument requires two people. If extremist YECs are busy calling you heretical you can do exactly the same thing you do to extremist "God-hates-[homosexuals]" type: ignore them. And they should do the same, and then the rest of us who have a rational head on our shoulders and a deeper interest in reaching the lost than in converting one another to our favorite hobbyhorse can get on with the real work that God has called us to do.
The claim is OEC is unscriptural, I'm merely saying that it does have some scriptural merit. Now if someone says that is treating the other awful by saying this then how should we sugar coat this?
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You don't. You ignore it and talk to those who are interested. I seem to recall that this thread is an invitation to OECs to help with some problems. What does it matter what a YEC says. Further, NO ONE IN THIS THREAD HAS SAID OEC WAS UNSCRIPTURAL. We had one comment of a person saying that
they believe Bible teaches YEC. Fine. You think the Bible teaches OEC. There's nothing to argue about here. So let it go.
Let people believe what they want. There is no reason for any OEC
OR YEC to contribute to the flamewar that has been going on for two hundred years now. Let it go. We can talk about this issue rationally within the family. To the outside world, we need to present a united front. Are you willing to do that, or are you going to insist on continuing the fight?
