Evidence for God from Science

sorry for bringing this up, you guy have probably answered this question a lot but ive grown fond of this site for answers its just a simple question and i wanted to know the facts on this subjects because as ive been searching the internet and i still havent found the right answer, i mean some people say no that it was impossible and that moses couldnt have written himself because it was in 3rd person and some say yes, he was very educated and that he wrote them while in the 40 years of finding the promised land and i also heard another where they think that moses didnt write it but it was passed info...so yeah a lot of answers but there is only 1 truth so can you guys pretty please help me find the answer i would love to know!

God bless you !!!! and future thanks to anyone who helps me

I believe so. I was taught the JDEP hypothesis but never found it convincing. I see no reason to drop the more conservative understanding that Moses authored the Pentateuch which inline with what Christ also believed. Redaction is certainly interesting, but it seems quite subjective to each scholar how many authors there actually were, even my own lecturers. There is no consensus across the board.

In fact, you could probably take scholars who generally subscribe to the documentary hypothesis, and use them against each other to argue against whatever other author is proposed as writing a particular passage. This does not necessarily mean they are all wrong, but it does leave a lot to be desired if one chooses to place their faith in such a theory.

An article you might like to read which provides a good introduction to the issue: Did Moses Write the Pentateuch?

I believe Moses wrote the Pentateuch as well although obviously there is the the last section of Deut that was written by someone else, probably Moses.

Much of the JEDP theory rests upon the assumption that the Pentateuch was written at a far later date than the events that took place and in some of the more convoluted versions of it ties the source to a later priesthood who created the pentateuch psuedopigraphally to support the fictional person of King David. At least that was the position until actual archealogical finds made references to David.

Literary criticism, particularly redaction has some limited value but as Kurieuo indicated it also has a tendency to create it's own results by assuming much more than is often present. It's somewhat parallel to the observation that when all you have in your tool box is a hammer, than everything else begins to look like a nail. The truth is that the observation of minuteua in much redactive criticism could be applied on this board, for instance, to look at a post I wrote 4 years ago and one I wrote today and the argument could be made that I wasn't the same person. (Come to think of it, I've been accused of that on occassion! )

bart

Kurieuo wrote:I believe so. I was taught the JDEP hypothesis but never found it convincing. I see no reason to drop the more conservative understanding that Moses authored the Pentateuch which inline with what Christ also believed. Redaction is certainly interesting, but it seems quite subjective to each scholar how many authors there actually were, even my own lecturers. There is no consensus across the board.

In fact, you could probably take scholars who generally subscribe to the documentary hypothesis, and use them against each other to argue against whatever other author is proposed as writing a particular passage. This does not necessarily mean they are all wrong, but it does leave a lot to be desired if one chooses to place their faith in such a theory.

An article you might like to read which provides a good introduction to the issue: Did Moses Write the Pentateuch?

hahah yes ive herd of that hypothesis, ummm if i recall there was a documentory on "who wrote the bible?" and it talked about JDEP and yes i also found it unconvincing and a tad distrubing lol you can check it up on youtube its there, i would like to hear your oppinion on it if you have some spare time. thank youuuuu for replying

Canuckster1127 wrote:I believe Moses wrote the Pentateuch as well although obviously there is the the last section of Deut that was written by someone else, probably Moses.

Much of the JEDP theory rests upon the assumption that the Pentateuch was written at a far later date than the events that took place and in some of the more convoluted versions of it ties the source to a later priesthood who created the pentateuch psuedopigraphally to support the fictional person of King David. At least that was the position until actual archealogical finds made references to David.

Literary criticism, particularly redaction has some limited value but as Kurieuo indicated it also has a tendency to create it's own results by assuming much more than is often present. It's somewhat parallel to the observation that when all you have in your tool box is a hammer, than everything else begins to look like a nail. The truth is that the observation of minuteua in much redactive criticism could be applied on this board, for instance, to look at a post I wrote 4 years ago and one I wrote today and the argument could be made that I wasn't the same person. (Come to think of it, I've been accused of that on occassion! )

bart

mmhmmm yep as i read your comment i just remembered that i had watched a documentory on the archealogical finds that lead to king david on one of the discovery channels haha silly me i can't believe i forgot but yes you are certainly right about what is going on with the literary and redaction criticism. thank you for the reply!

God bless you guys! BIG BIG BIG HELP

Canuckster1127 wrote: Much of the JEDP theory rests upon the assumption that the Pentateuch was written at a far later date than the events that took place and in some of the more convoluted versions of it ties the source to a later priesthood who created the pentateuch psuedopigraphally to support the fictional person of King David. At least that was the position until actual archealogical finds made references to David.

Isn't another big factor in the hypothesis perceived differences between how God is portrayed in different sources (Jahweh vs Elohim etc.)?