Evidence for God from Science

I recently went through a pretty heavy battery of tests at my work which confirmed some things I've known about myself. It also helps to know something about my co-workers with the team that I work for.

So, being the nerd I am, I thought I'd share some of it and invite any of you who want to think about how it may affect how we interact on this board, at least among regulars. It may help to explain why some of us seem to butt heads at time and why it's frustrating to try to get someone to understand something in the manner we think and see things when they may be wired somewhat differently than we are in some important areas.

Here's a link to an online test that I've checked and believe to be free of spam or other elements and which comes close to the Myers Briggs test, which itself is copyrighted and can't be taken without paying a fee.

I took this test and it gave the same result for me that the formal test gave.

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTYpes2.asp

I'll give my results and the characteristics that tend to go along with my personality type. If any of you are interested in doing the same then go ahead. Maybe it will help us in our community to extend each other a little more understanding and help to get past those times we talk past each other.

This really nails me in many ways.

Your Type is
INFP
Introverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving


Healers present a calm and serene face to the world, and can seem shy, even distant around others. But inside they're anything but serene, having a capacity for personal caring rarely found in the other types. Healers care deeply about the inner life of a few special persons, or about a favorite cause in the world at large. And their great passion is to heal the conflicts that trouble individuals, or that divide groups, and thus to bring wholeness, or health, to themselves, their loved ones, and their community.

Healers have a profound sense of idealism that comes from a strong personal sense of right and wrong. They conceive of the world as an ethical, honorable place, full of wondrous possibilities and potential goods. In fact, to understand Healers, we must understand that their deep commitment to the positive and the good is almost boundless and selfless, inspiring them to make extraordinary sacrifices for someone or something they believe in. Set off from the rest of humanity by their privacy and scarcity (around one percent of the population), Healers can feel even more isolated in the purity of their idealism.

Also, Healers might well feel a sense of separation because of their often misunderstood childhood. Healers live a fantasy-filled childhood-they are the prince or princess of fairy tales-an attitude which, sadly, is frowned upon, or even punished, by many parents. With parents who want them to get their head out of the clouds, Healers begin to believe they are bad to be so fanciful, so dreamy, and can come to see themselves as ugly ducklings. In truth, they are quite OK just as they are, only different from most others-swans reared in a family of ducks.

At work, Healers are adaptable, welcome new ideas and new information, are patient with complicated situations, but impatient with routine details. Healers are keenly aware of people and their feelings, and relate well with most others. Because of their deep-seated reserve, however, they can work quite happily alone. When making decisions, Healers follow their heart not their head, which means they can make errors of fact, but seldom of feeling. They have a natural interest in scholarly activities and demonstrate, like the other Idealists, a remarkable facility with language. They have a gift for interpreting stories, as well as for creating them, and thus often write in lyric, poetic fashion. Frequently they hear a call to go forth into the world and help others, a call they seem ready to answer, even if they must sacrifice their own comfort.

Princess Diana, Richard Gere, Audrey Hephurn, Albert Schweiter, George Orwell, Karen Armstrong, Aldous Huxley, Mia Farrow, and Isabel Meyers are examples of a Healer Idealists.

Full descriptions of the Healer and Idealists are in People Patterns or Please Understand Me II

Urgh, Myers-Briggs.

ISTJ

Introverted 44
Sensing 38
Thinking 62
Judging 22

I'd make a good security guard.

FL

iNTJ

Carl Jung? Are you serious?

I am INTJ although if I recall there were a couple of categories where I wasn't a strong letter. I will have to take it again.

Each of those indicators is a scale and it's possible to be near the middle on some of them.

I'm that way between the T and the F on the third pairing. I tend to move more in the feeling direction, but I'm pretty close to crossing the line into a T.

I guess you could say there actually are occassions when I almost think!

Do you know what Carl Jung taught? I think maybe we as Christians should start studying astrology, so that we can better interact on this board. Or, maybe we should get out the Ouija board and let the spirits guide us. Carl Jung's philosophy has no place in the Church. We shouldn't open ourselves up to this.

Myers Briggs is more than Carl Jung. It's a validated testing instrument that is statistically shown to be accurate and helpful. What specifically do you find objectionable about the instrument itself? Is it just that it's associated with Carl Jung? Is anything that Carl Jung observes wrong or suspect just because Carl Jung touched it?

Canuckster1127 wrote:Myers Briggs is more than Carl Jung. It's a validated testing instrument that is statistically shown to be accurate and helpful. What specifically do you find objectionable about the instrument itself? Is it just that it's associated with Carl Jung? Is anything that Carl Jung observes wrong or suspect just because Carl Jung touched it?

Bart, if you would read this. http://www.thebereancall.org/node/5867

Ok I've read it.

It's similar to other things that I read when I did some training in pastoral counselling. That point of view ties to something that is known as Nouthetic counselling which is an approach that seeks to be Biblically based. Jay Adams is a leading proponent. It takes the point of view that only that which is rooted squarely in the Bible is worthy of attention or reliance by Christians in matters of counsel and personal growth.

I've studied it very closely in the past and I also have observed a great deal in terms of the effect and impact on many who receive it and practice it and I've come to the conclusion that while scripture is primary, it doesn't preclude studying, observing and learning from such things as psychology. I choose to examine things that come from the realm of science and psychology on a case by case basis and where it doesn't conflict with scripture and adds to our understanding of ourselves and the world around us. Rejecting everything that Carl Jung has observed or stated in the realm of psychology simply because it is Carl Jung who stated it, is somewhat akin to saying the sun doesn't rise in the east because Adolph Hitler observed it and stated it to be so.

Larry Crabb is a good example of a Christian Psychologist who takes the approach I've noted. He refers to it as "plundering the egyptians". You look at what is learned and observed in areas of soft science, like psychology and your carefully observe the platforms that things are built upon and seek to cull out that which is contrary to the word of God.

Things like the Myers-Briggs profile in my opinion, have a huge body of research and validation behind them. They are useful tools for understanding how people vary in personality types and how different personality types tend to interact. Understanding those personality types and those dynamics can be effective ways for people to better understand themselves, others and what effective strategies might be to reduce conflict and promote understanding.

If you don't like it Rich, that's fine. I've simply placed it up under chit-chat as something of interest that I believe might be helpful for some. Nobody has to take it, pay attention to it or take it as anything more than a possible tool that can help in different situations. If you think that the very instrument itself is a tool of the devil and ties to more sinister things, then all I can say is that I disagree with you on that, but if you believe that to be true then you should certainly stay away from it and follow your conscience in that regard.

Observing whether someone is introverted or extroverted is hardly something against Christianity. Like microevolution, we shouldn't dismiss hard data or observations simply becaues of the philosophy behind it.

Hypnotism may be of some help to some people also. But, I just think it may open the door to something very harmful. Romans 13:9 states how we should interact with people, We don't need psychobabble, and humanistic ideas to resolve conflict, and interact better with people. Humanistic psychology has no place in the Church. That's what I'm saying, and if you feel it does have a place, then, I guess we disagree.

zoegirl wrote:Observing whether someone is introverted or extroverted is hardly something against Christianity. Like microevolution, we shouldn't dismiss hard data or observations simply becaues of the philosophy behind it.

Zoegirl, so if I wanted to go to an astrologer or tea leaf reader, that has proven he/she can make some valid predictions, that would be ok? Even though the "philosophy" behind it is wrong?