Peter has the keys?
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:37 am
He gave Peter the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? What does that mean? i dont understand ..anybody have an idea?
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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First note the context of verse 19. This involves awaking to the reality of who and what Chirst is and did ... the one reconciling man back to God (Son of God verse 16) and God back to man (Son of man verse 28).CeT-To wrote:He gave Peter the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? What does that mean? i dont understand ..anybody have an idea?
Correction, it says I will give, not I have given you the keys.CeT-To wrote:He gave Peter the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? What does that mean? i dont understand ..anybody have an idea?
Thanks TallMan for the correction ! Yep i finally understand ..yet now i have another question haha although its completely different to the topic question but here it goes!TallMan wrote:Correction, it says I will give, not I have given you the keys.CeT-To wrote:He gave Peter the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven? What does that mean? i dont understand ..anybody have an idea?
Peter was the first to turn the key to the door at Pentecost when he identified speaking in tongues as the ourpouring of God's Spirit and all can & should repent, be baptised and receive the same. Keys open doors, the understanding of how to enter into salvation is the key that Peter turned first at Pentecost.
Then they went to the gentiles with the same message and results (Acts 10:44-48) after which:
"they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles." (14:27)
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."CeT-To wrote:Revelation 14:1 who are the 144 000 people with the LORD Jesus at Mt. Zion? Thanks guys !
Europe? wait what? i dont understand.. sorry TallMan could you explain a bit more? what does the british isles have to do with mt. Zion? thanxTallMan wrote:"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."CeT-To wrote:Revelation 14:1 who are the 144 000 people with the LORD Jesus at Mt. Zion? Thanks guys !
According to the "historicist" reading of Revelation - that it mainly maps church (true and false) history from the time it was given through to Armageddon & beyond, these are descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel who have made their way accross Europe to the "appointed place" (2 Sam 7:10) - the British Isles (and coastlands of W. Europe)
Remember the historicist interpretation, It's not the Heavenly New Jerusalem, that comes later, it is the place/people called by God's name into his (natural) blessings.CeT-To wrote:...Europe? wait what? i dont understand.. sorry TallMan could you explain a bit more? what does the british isles have to do with mt. Zion? thanx
Remember CeT-To, TallMan follows a heresy called British Israelism, also known as Anglo-Israelism. The British Isles have nothing to do with Zion.CeT-To wrote:Europe? wait what? i dont understand.. sorry TallMan could you explain a bit more? what does the british isles have to do with mt. Zion? thanx
Ac:24:14: But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Fürstentum Liechtenstein wrote:Remember CeT-To, TallMan follows a heresy called British Israelism, also known as Anglo-Israelism. The British Isles have nothing to do with Zion.CeT-To wrote:Europe? wait what? i dont understand.. sorry TallMan could you explain a bit more? what does the british isles have to do with mt. Zion? thanx
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A Jehovah's Witness would quote me the same passage.TallMan wrote:Ac:24:14: But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Did you find anything that affirms it?Telstra Robs wrote:I had a look into British Israelism a while back . There are a few things which negate it,
Read this and/or this.(I'm not saying I agree with everything they stand for on all matters).Telstra Robs wrote:1- Hebrew comes from a completely different language family (Afro-Asiatic) to that of the Celts and the Germans (Indo-European).
Oh yes, trading took place long before, many believe "the isles of Tarshish" are the British Isles.Telstra Robs wrote:2- There is evidence of Celts in the British Isles long before the Assyrian conquest of Northern Israel (Stonehenge was built by Celts around 2500BC whereas the conquest was only at 721BC).
That may just mean that what is being called "Jews" are related to those people rather than Europeasns, (many of whom aren't Israelite anyway).Telstra Robs wrote:3- The Jews genetically are closely related to other ethnicities in the Middle East and their y chromosome pool is distinct from that of Europeans (http://bioanthropology.huji.ac.il/pdf/Nebel_2001b.pdf)
First and foremost, Celtic languages are not considered to be related to latin. The only similarity between them is that they are both Indo-European languages, but that would be like comparing German to Indian (both of which are also Indo-European).Tallman wrote:Read this and/or this.(I'm not saying I agree with everything they stand for on all matters).
Trading took place with the British Isles before people started to live in the British Isles? Who were the Phoenecians trading with? Israelis? Before the occupation by Assyria? It would stand to reason that the Celts were already living in the Isles long before the Assyrian occupation (especially with other historical evidence).Tallman wrote:Oh yes, trading took place long before, many believe "the isles of Tarshish" are the British Isles.
The tribe of Dan especially was a seafaring, that's why they are not listed among the tribes that wewre "sealed" as they made their way accross Europe.
They have the old Israeli religion (Judaism). They write using the same script. They live in the same area. How can they not be Jews?Tallman wrote:That may just mean that what is being called "Jews" are related to those people rather than Europeasns, (many of whom aren't Israelite anyway).
If this is the case, how can one use supposed similarities with Celts and theories involving Celtic migration to prove that Jesus will come back to a Norman throne that rules over Anglo-Saxons?...the throne of England is the throne of David, and the kings and queens of England Queen Victoria in 1800 and George VI in 1944— are of the royal lineage of David, and the British people, therefore, the real Israel today, which they claim descends not through Judah or the Jews but from the ten tribes. The true Israel, they claim, does not include Jews but are the Anglo Saxons. ...
...This restored Israel, the Anglo Saxon people, with Jesus Christ seated on the reestablished earthly throne of David as king, will rule the whole world. Anglo-Israelism teaches that the literal throne of David exists today in the throne of the English kings, and when Jesus Christ returns he will simply occupy the throne which the British kings now hold, and have been holding for centuries, for him until he comes, until the millennium commences.