would you feel the bible was incomplete without this? What exactly does it add?
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Kristoffer have you noticed that the book of revelation is the only book that blesses you when you read it? ( revelation 1:3) how can you ignore it? why dont you do some research? and it really isnt safe to ignore it as it is an integral part of our belief...this is what we christians are/have waiting for..its impossible to take it out. Kristoffer you said "because lets face it, the world hasn't ended just yet so what's the big worry?" but thats the sole reason we have to read it and study it ! why would we read it after it already happen ..it wouldnt have the same value that it holds now to us.Kristoffer wrote:I arrived at my conclusion by simply reading it, looking for it. Finding out what scholars think. Although there are apparently many opinions about show name is worth 666. I think it is safe to just ignore the whole so called "revelation" as if it were a non-canon book, because lets face it, the world hasn't ended just yet so what's the big worry? I kind of have Hope for the future you know, rather than thinking the disgusting idea that we are all doomed.
Kristoffer, you obviously have not looked into this much at all, from a "scholarly" perspective. Would you please give some Christian scholars a break? I don't mean ones that have only private blogs, lol. I mean ones at major universities, if you're so worried about credentials. There are liberal scholars who take the book seriously, even if I don't agree on their interpretations or even on who the author is (to say it's not John either stretches things or makes the author kind-of a liar). And there's a whole lot more to the book than the interpretation of 666! You also can't understand Revelation apart from the rest of the bible, either, so simply reading it by itself is not very useful.Kristoffer wrote:I arrived at my conclusion by simply reading it, looking for it. Finding out what scholars think. Although there are apparently many opinions about show name is worth 666. I think it is safe to just ignore the whole so called "revelation" as if it were a non-canon book, because lets face it, the world hasn't ended just yet so what's the big worry? I kind of have Hope for the future you know, rather than thinking the disgusting idea that we are all doomed.
There's much in the bible about resurrection! You keep saying you read the bible, but I'm guessing right about now that you're not getting much out of it, or you're only paying attention to the "juicy" parts - you've posted on that before: 666, concubines, adultery - those are the things you post about! Job is the oldest book in the bible, and God gave him insight about our bodily resurrection (19:25-17): "I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see him with my own eyes--I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!" So you have the oldest book revealing God's will about resurrection, and the most recent (Revelation) affirming it.The revelation does talk about the resurrection event doesn't it? That is what it seems to be talking about at a point...Or at least it mentions new heavens and new earth. But what if this was included by mistake? How do you know it wasn't, I will not simply believe it unless there is some kind of proof that makes certain that it is worth trusting, if you do not think it is the ravings of a mad man then just say...
Mistake? Have you studied how and why we have the canon? Revelation is an amazing book, but I wouldn't recommend it for an unbeliever. The only question that matters is this. Is Jesus who He says He is as recorded in the scriptures? There is ample evidence to know that the resurrection of Jesus is a fact. More than enough evidence to know that the bible is supernaturally inspired (prophecies), and preserved for us to this day. A person is either unwilling to examine the evidence and remain ignorant, or is unwilling to trust what is revealed in truth. (rebellion) The gospel of John was written for this very reason. (John 20:31) If you don't accept the above, why would you expect Revelation to make any sense to you? It's like trying to study advanced Calculus, when you don't even know your multiplication tables. If you are willing to set aside your stubborness, submit your mind, and read the Gospel of John, then you will have everything you need to know to pass from condemnation to life. You either will or you won't. You can read John cover to cover 100 times, but if you will not lay aside your pride then it is futile. Will you?I arrived at my conclusion by simply reading it, looking for it. Finding out what scholars think. Although there are apparently many opinions about show name is worth 666. I think it is safe to just ignore the whole so called "revelation" as if it were a non-canon book, because lets face it, the world hasn't ended just yet so what's the big worry? I kind of have Hope for the future you know, rather than thinking the disgusting idea that we are all doomed.
The revelation does talk about the resurrection event doesn't it? That is what it seems to be talking about at a point...Or at least it mentions new heavens and new earth. But what if this was included by mistake? How do you know it wasn't, I will not simply believe it unless there is some kind of proof that makes certain that it is worth trusting, if you do not think it is the ravings of a mad man then just say...
Reality isn't dependent on your acceptance of it, or your capacity to gauge it as 'realistic.'I would agree with the death is final thing, that is a more realistic message that I can believe in and it doesn't sap any hope I have.
"Kristoffer"
because lets face it, the world hasn't ended just yet so what's the big worry? I kind of have Hope for the future you know, rather than thinking the disgusting idea that we are all doomed.
The revelation does talk about the resurrection event doesn't it? That is what it seems to be talking about at a point...Or at least it mentions new heavens and new earth.
Yes.. A lot of it also comes from studying the book of Daniel. Once you get that down, then Revelation makes more sense..ocarina_boy wrote:A lot of people (I'd say 99%) are afraid of truth. They read it or hear it, and because it doesn't sound pretty they reject it. It's too much for them to handle. It's the same with the Illuminati bloodlines. Many people will not accept that they are in control of the planet, or that they even exist. Satan worshipers are running the show, and that is why the whole world is a complete mess, it's not how it is by accident as most people seem to believe. So you should be thankful that the Bible includes the book of revelation, as I'm sure Jesus would not want his followers to be ignorant on important matters.