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Novena To St. Peregrine

Glorious wonder-worker, St. Peregrine, you answered the divine call with a ready spirit, and forsook all the comforts of a life of ease and all the empty honors of the world to dedicate yourself to God in the Order of His holy Mother.

You labored manfully for the salvation of souls. In union with Jesus crucified, you endured painful sufferings with such patience as to deserve to be healed miraculously of an incurable cancer in your leg by a touch of His divine hand.

Obtain for ***** the grace to answer every call of God and to fulfill His will in all the events of life. Enkindle in my heart a consuming zeal for the salvation of all men.

Deliver her from the infirmities that afflict *****'s body. Obtain for her also a perfect resignation to the sufferings it may please God to send her, so that, imitating our crucified Savior and His sorrowful Mother, she may merit eternal glory in heaven.

St. Peregrine, pray for Linda and for all who invoke your aid.

Prayer to Saint Peregrine

O great St. Peregrine, you have been called "The Mighty," "The Wonder-Worker," because of the numerous miracles which you have obtained from God for those who have had recourse to you. For so many years you bore in your own flesh this cancerous disease that destroys the very fibre of our being, and who had recourse to the source of all grace when the power of man could do no more. You were favoured with the vision of Jesus coming down from His Cross to heal your affliction. Ask of God and Our Lady, the cure of the sick whom we entrust to you.

Since Jesus is our mediator and there is only one mediator between God and man, then why would be thru someone else necessary when praying to the Lord? Note principle mentioned in1 Timothy 2:5

PS: This thread will be locked at the first sign of anyone's salvation being questioned.

sinnerbybirth wrote:Just how many dead saints are there, that are prayed to? Or can any dead saint apply to this?

jlay wrote:None?
Maybe if you do a little verbal gymnastics.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Praying ... Saints.asp

They mention Rev. 5:8, which is obviously twisted to suit this unbiblical doctrine.
Who is a saint? Anyone who is a child of God. There is no reason to think the prayers of the saints are that of dead people who the RCC has deemed worthy of the title. In fact Rev. 13 says that the beast was given power to make war against the saints. And the context is clear that the location is ON THE EARTH.

The word saint comes from the Greek word "hagios" which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons … “(Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

The idea of the word “saint” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints; "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, Scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints…and at the same time are called to be saints. 1 Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly, “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the Biblical description and calling of the saints.
http://www.gotquestions.org/saints-Christian.html

There is absolutey no model of prayer by Jesus, Paul, or the disciples that would indicate that we are to ask dead people to pray for us. None, zilch, zero. In fact we are given several models of prayer by Jesus, and Paul, and all of them are directly to the Father, in the name of the son. This doctrine is a lie, and sad that so many refuse repent of it.

jlay wrote:
There is absolutey no model of prayer by Jesus, Paul, or the disciples that would indicate that we are to ask dead people to pray for us. None, zilch, zero. In fact we are given several models of prayer by Jesus, and Paul, and all of them are directly to the Father, in the name of the son. This doctrine is a lie, and sad that so many refuse repent of it.

Gman wrote:

jlay wrote:
There is absolutey no model of prayer by Jesus, Paul, or the disciples that would indicate that we are to ask dead people to pray for us. None, zilch, zero. In fact we are given several models of prayer by Jesus, and Paul, and all of them are directly to the Father, in the name of the son. This doctrine is a lie, and sad that so many refuse repent of it.

Jlay.. Please refrain from attacking others on this panel. It's obvious you haven't studied Catholicism much...