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Sorry I just had to laugh at that video... Pretty weak arguments that we hear over and over again on this forum. But I have to congratulate this kid on making this video, and increasing my faith. He has made my faith much more stronger and his god or religion weaker...derrick09 wrote:This is something I should have included in my "Atheists and Youtube" discussion thread that I did several months ago, this video is around two hours long of a "former Christian" now turned atheist describing why he de-converted. From what I could see he lists things such as religous experiences being imaginative experiences produced by our brains along with the Occam's razor concept that you take the simplest answer in which in his case, naturalism without invoking a creator God is much more simple. I didn't see anything as far a any major or new challenges that I've never seen before, but if any of you all see anything worth noting you can bring up in the replies. But here is the link to the video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsAZSz2Y ... re=related
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Hi Derrick09, Why bring this subject up again as subject matter was touched upon in your "Atheists and Youtube" discussion thread?derrick09 wrote:This is something I should have included in my "Atheists and Youtube" discussion thread that I did several months ago, this video is around two hours long of a "former Christian" now turned atheist describing why he de-converted. From what I could see he lists things such as religous experiences being imaginative experiences produced by our brains along with the Occam's razor concept that you take the simplest answer in which in his case, naturalism without invoking a creator God is much more simple. I didn't see anything as far a any major or new challenges that I've never seen before, but if any of you all see anything worth noting you can bring up in the replies. But here is the link to the video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsAZSz2Y ... re=related
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You said, 'for us apologists to answer or respond to'derrick09 wrote:Hello, well in the first thread, the atheists and youtube thread, I was mostly referring to the hateful atheist debate/response videos or videos relating to the "blasphemy challenge" videos, while this one had to do with a former Christian or claimed Christian now turned atheist and his "deconversion documentry" I was wondering if any of you all saw anything in this video as different or challenging for us apologists to answer or respond to. Now I personally didn't see anything impressive but I didn't watch the whole video, watching whole atheist related videos kinda makes me nervous for fear that I WILL see something that will cause me to have doubts.
Yes very good!Silvertusk wrote:I think you are better than you think.
Atheists often like to drive discussions, and make poor passengers when we jump in the driver's street. They love asking all the questions and then making scoff remarks while answering none. So do reverse the burden in your exchanges by asking questions. Some other questions that come to my mind would be:derrick09 wrote:i.e. religious experiences being imaginative experiences somewhat hasty. I would respond by asking how is he certain that ALL religious experiences are imaginative. Then I would also point out that just because most religious experiences may very well be imaginative it doesn't mean that God had some sort of hand in it just like if natural forces were used like with the Exodus Red Sea crossing, it to doesn't mean God wasn't involved because God can use natural forces.
If by "naturalism" he means "Atheism", then simpler maybe. Too simple perhaps.derrick09 wrote:the point where he claims that naturalism basically offers a more simple answer than Christian Theism.
I always have to just laugh at this kind of statement, because when adhering to a worldview that embraces pure naturalism, those who 'remember' you will eventually die off and for an infinite amount of time, no one will be around to remember anyone else. But it makes people who don't have any other thing to place hope into feel warm and fuzzy inside, so I suppose that's why its used.musician wrote:If there is no god, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind.