All life was created by him thats for sure but it is not a valid argument for linking Eucharist to food. Since all life is in question it could attribute to anything.
Then it would also include minerals the earth has, iron, uranium, platinum, aren't those part of his flesh because he made them. And please I am not trying to put absurd statements here, but wouldn't you agree with me that if he created them then by your argument it does represent his flesh.
The moment Jesus died all nature was disturbed, and people came back to life, this happened by the Father to show His appreciation, love and Justice, in order for His Son to be buried within a new virgin mother earth, so He was both born and buried within a virgin mother.
Again you are supposing a lot, there is no scriptual support for this, first where does the Bible makes earth a virgin mother
and why would he put Jesus inside a virgin mother at his death. I am sorry but this is far twisted and turned from the Bible.[/quote]
neo-x wrote:While I appreciate the way you have put up a rather detailed post for what you believe, I do not agree with it. I do understand that everything changed when Christ was crucified but nonetheless the bread and wine was not for the purpose of consecrating/purifying all food. This argument has no biblical support. you have tried to create a link between these two but I am afraid there is a straight cut explanation for it in the scripture that it was to be in Christ's remembrance and whosoever partakes in it is part of him. As to the question why Christ did it, if I agree with you then there is no meaning for me to have a part of his bread and wine today because if it was to purify food than there is no reason for me to do it today. I can do the same thing with prayer. However i do not think this view has context within what you are trying to say. Food has nothing to do with it.
Jesus came and as I explained in the other post the first thing Jesus did was, to get rid of Satan spirit through baptism within Humans.
Well there is no Satan spirit by default in everybody.
Practically all food,and all what has life within itself,symbolically represent His flesh, since it was created all by Him all in Him, and all for Him.
You are arguing for a supposition which you are concluding out of the same statement. This is a logical fallacy.
[Your quote] the bread and wine was not for the purpose of consecrating/purification all food.
Misunderstanding. I feel that you rushed to conclusions. This what I quoted [First I quoted: Through these miracles, Jesus made it clear that immediately after his death, with the power of the Holy Spirit, all nature would be purified from Satan spirit, and replaced by His spirit. The second part of the process for purification.
So His death was the purpose for the purification of all nature through the elimination of Satan spirit. Otherwise there wouldn’t be salvation. We were saved through the elimination of Satan spirit.So all (nature)also food was purified through His death. That’s where John 13:32 comes in this to proof that Jesus, immediately after his death will be glorified.
John 13:32 If God be glorified in him, God also will glorify him in himself; and immediately will he glorify him. Now read how clear it is in: John 6:26:34, and 6:52:58.especially 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed
When we reflect on all John 6, we realize that this chapter is dedicated on the real bread from Heaven,and I would suggest to meditate in debt and you will agree with me that Jesus as God knew what we really need since we are irresistible to both the world and the flesh.
Now I would like to make you conscious the revelation in Matthew 6:11,in the words: Give us this day our super substantial bread, which when we refer to interlinear we discover this: 1967. Epiousios: Short Definition: for the morrow, necessary, sufficient.
So necessary, sufficient for the following day, why it is not immediately as it is eaten that a person will benefit from? To me it is obvious because it must pass through the digestive process, so it is definitely referring to food when it is not consecrated, because Jesus knew that spiritually taken it will not last since we are irresistible to the world and flesh,or even taken undeservedly, Like Paul said in 1 Corinthians 11:17.
Therefore, It is not the bread and wine, the purpose of consecrating/purification all food. I never mentioned the word consecration, you did. I said that:
Only then Jesus could He establishes the Eucharist through the bread to be His flesh and the wine to be His blood in order for us to be purified within our souls. This Jesus did because He knew that on our own we are not capable to be purified, and since His spirit is within all the living nature, that which has life, automatically without being aware of we purify ourselves, because all food has life.
Matthew 4:4 4Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’ So bread after all is not only bread but has Jesus spirit in it. Since the word of God is spirit.
So unless Jesus dies on the cross and eliminates Satan’s spirit from nature, he wouldn’t be able to establish the bread from heaven through His spirit which is within all nature, (the spirit not the bread is within all nature) there forever. The covenant which lasts forever .It is important to be aware that it was done so, to fulfil scripture when Melchizedek met Abraham and offered bread and wine as an Eucharist( which means giving thanks) not animal sacrifice, and became the priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
Hebrews 5:6 and Genesis 14: 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High.
[your quote: Well there is no Satan spirit by default in everybody]
Again you rushed to conclusions: You didn’t read my previous post. This is what I quoted:
Therefore Jesus through His baptism, He locked Satan temporary in hell, first to show him that He is in power from that moment on, also to be able to commit all those miracles and to cast out devils, and the most important was, that from that moment on, Jesus removes Satan's spirit automatic possession of humanity since Adam. This is confirmed in Mark 3:27
So he was for 4000 years, but Jesus removed him through His baptism. On this day I have begotten you. Hebrews 5:5 No one was allowed to go to heaven for the simple reason that souls where still filthy through birth even if they were pure people.because of Satan's spirit automatic possession of humanity since Adam. The act of sex in itself is corrupted and spiritually dead in Satan, if it’s not within a spiritual marriage, in order to be alive in Christ.)That's why Jesus had to be born from a virgin.I could expand on this but I will in due coarse.
Now to confirm that we were by nature children of wrath(Satan)before Christ death read Ephesians 2:1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath,,(Satan) even as the rest.
[you quote]This is a logical fallacy.
Again you rushed to conclusions: My words are: symbolically represent His flesh .
You already forgot that it must be consecrated, but all what has a kind of life within itself is alive within His spirit, because before although they were alive in fact they were dead in the spirit. Ephesians 2 :1 also He said let the dead bury the dead, He also said I am Life.
[your quote: Then it would also include minerals the earth has, iron, uranium, platinum, etc...]
Again you rushed to conclusions: wherever there is life there is Jesus spirit, He is life, wherever there is no life there is Satan spirit and his demons,locked and not functional, but through an eruption as lava Ezekiel 28:12:18,and through all manufacturing of these materials, spirits will escape and remain within this world in the air to afflict us. Ephesians 2:2
[your quote: again you are supposing a lot, there is no scriptural support for this, first where does the bible makes earth a virgin mother and why would he put Jesus inside a virgin mother at his death. I am sorry but this is far twisted and turned from the bible.]
Again you rushed to conclusions: Why were you so anxious to answer my post and you didn’t do some reflections and references within the bible. This is regarding what happened on His death, as proof that He gave life to the dead holy people, and to earth.
Matthew 27: 50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.Jesus spirit was established,and the curtain of the temple, where before no one could enter because it was a mystery, simply humans were unaware that the previous spirit was Satan’s veiled as god within nature, and Jesus was hidden, John 10:1:6 incarnated within Satan's soul,That's why Jesus became so sinful before His death, but now through His death on the cross he is terminated, and everybody from then on will be aware that there’s only one Spirit within nature and obviously within humans, which belongs to Jesus, the Son of God,through the Holy Spirit sent from the Father by the Son.
Now with regard to the rest of you quote: “first where does the bible makes earth a virgin mother etc. etc....”
First it is vitally important to be aware that Jesus was a spiritual person representing God’s figure. The first Adam was a living soul and sinned and returned to dust within the mother earth where he came from,(That’s why it is called mother earth) and the earth as I quoted, through sin became also filthy. So the world spiritually for 4000 thousand years was in the worst condition ever through Satan’s spirit. Now Jesus the second Adam is a life giving spirit so immediately on His death all nature was reborn within Jesus spirit, therefore Jesus gave the world a new life, she was reborn, and also a virgin since there was no sin or any stain, spiritually speaking, without Satan spirit. So justly for Jesus as her saviour, who gave her life, to be buried in a new tomb within a new born earth, and also to be the first, since He is the first born of every creature! Only He deserves this, no man was capable of achieving this, the Son of God and the Son of man, even becoming the last most sinful person, and the first to reborn with a new spiritual flesh ever, for our sake in order to save us.
God bless