Sudsy wrote:Well, this new book has just been released and the reviews are pouring in. See the Internet discussion erupting.I'm sure at least a couple guys here on this forum will want a copy.
Here is a sample quote from the book -
"Millions have been taught that if they don’t believe, if they don’t accept in the right way, that is, the way the person telling them the gospel does, and they were hit by a car and died later that same day, God would have no choice but to punish them forever in conscious torment in hell. God would, in essence, become a fundamentally different being to them in that moment of death, a different being to them forever. A loving heavenly father who will go to extraordinary lengths to have a relationship with them would, in the blink of any eye, become a cruel, mean, vicious tormentor who would ensure that they had no escape from an endless future of agony.
If there was an earthly father like that, we would call the authorities. If there was an actual human dad who was that volatile, we would contact child protection services immediately.
If God can switch gears like that, switch entire modes of being that quickly, that raises a thousand questions about whether a being like this could ever be trusted, let alone be good.
Loving one moment, vicious the next. Kind and compassionate, only to become cruel and relentless in the blink of an eye.
Does God become somebody totally different the moment you die?”
It should be interesting to see what conversations will come out of this book as Rob has quite a following but also some real enemies in evangelical and other circles.
Notice what the bible says:
Revelation 14:11 "
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." NASB
Bell's comments are built upon a false assumption that God is the great torturer; however, the bible plainly contradicts Bel's pleas and like minded rhetoric. Please note that in Revelation 14:11 the word translated
their before the word
torment clearly indicates a person is being afflicted with his or her own torment. - the torment of self affliction brought upon by the catalyst of judgment being found denying God … Romans 2:4,5, 6, 7, 8, 11c.
This is in line with the bible in how it describes God dealing with retribution as it is written:
Psalms 9:16, "
The LORD is known by the judgment He executes; The wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Meditation. Selah" NKJV
Again:
Galatians 6:7, 8, "
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." NKJV
More:
Proverbs 1:31, "Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled to the full with their own fancies." NKJV
Proverbs 22:8, "He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, and the rod of his anger will fail." NKJV
Job 4:8, "Even as I have seen, those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same." NKJV
What you sow is what you reap in God's economy; therefore, such established truth dictates that a person owns their own torment is how they reap what they had sown, is what tortures them. It is what they desire and want more than the Lord's offer of escape.
They sold themselves to be servants of sin, forever and desire it more than God’s offer of salvation. With such sin, they twist God’s truths in such manner as to seek to entrap Him by manipulating Him to grant them access into heaven without ever accepting Him or some even tempt God to deny His life giving nature by demanding annihilation into a state of non-existent being; thus, causing God to sin just to satisfy their pleas, logic, and sensibilities.
Why would you say would anyone want Hell more than God’s way of escape he purchased by blood through humanities torture of His Son? (what you sow, that you also reap)
Answer is simple, people like Rob Bell and others who tout the superiority of bad doctrine make light of eternal judgment and shoo it away, in hopes it would go away, or be lessened a degree, and duration expecting that God must bow to their satisfaction, permitting the unclean to gain masteries over God.
Almost like a angry person taunting someone, “
you can’t hurt me – you can’t and won’t naa na annan – you are so loving kind so much I can continue to be and do as I please. I want that from you, I’ll take this from you, give me- give me so I’ll love you for what you give in love – you serve me, oh god! NOW SERVE ME!”
Proverbs 26:11, "
As a dog returns to his own vomit, so a fool repeats his folly." NKJV
Isaiah 26:10, “
Let grace be shown to the wicked, Yet he will not learn righteousness; In the land of uprightness he will deal unjustly, And will not behold the majesty of the LORD.”
Romans 5:9, 10, “
Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.” NKJV
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