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666 or 616?

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:15 pm
by Kenzel
Hey, everyone. Today, I was reading in Revelation 13:18 and noticed a footnote in my Bible that read, "Some manuscripts read 616." So, my question is, is the number of the beast 666 or 616? Why do other manuscripts read 616? Is this a contradiction?

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:43 am
by Kenzel
um...any thoughts?..anybody?

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 12:01 am
by secretfire6
i have never heard of that before. all i can say is that literally speaking the number 666 is in greek gramaticon code for the name of a man. spiritually the number 6 is one shy of God's number of completion 7 and the three fold repeating of the six is showing us that whoever this man is, is all about incompletion and the sinful things of mankind.

What bible had that footnote in it?

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:02 am
by PaulSacramento
If I recall correctly, there are different manuscripts of Revelation that have different numbers, 666 or 616.
I am not sure but I think BOTH still "ADD UP" to Nero.
But I am going on memory from what I recall reading sometime back.

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 4:08 pm
by Kenzel
secretfire6 wrote:i have never heard of that before. all i can say is that literally speaking the number 666 is in greek gramaticon code for the name of a man. spiritually the number 6 is one shy of God's number of completion 7 and the three fold repeating of the six is showing us that whoever this man is, is all about incompletion and the sinful things of mankind.

What bible had that footnote in it?
I was reading out of the New Living Translation when I saw it, though I'm sure it's in more translations.

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 8:43 am
by Canuckster1127
Numbers are symbolic in a sense. 3 is often used in the bible as a number of completeness. 6 relates to man, as man was created on the 6th day. 7 is the number of God or perfection so 3 sevens would be a representation of the completeness and perfection of God while 3 sixes would perfectly capture the essence of mankind in their rebellion against God or as it's refered to, the spirit of anti-christ.

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:23 pm
by Kenzel
Canuckster1127 wrote:Numbers are symbolic in a sense. 3 is often used in the bible as a number of completeness. 6 relates to man, as man was created on the 6th day. 7 is the number of God or perfection so 3 sevens would be a representation of the completeness and perfection of God while 3 sixes would perfectly capture the essence of mankind in their rebellion against God or as it's refered to, the spirit of anti-christ.
So why do you think there were some manuscripts that read 616? Was it just an error?

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:55 pm
by Alpha~Omega
Speaking of 666, i would just like to point out that Carbon's atomic number is 666.

Thats were are mostly made of.

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:34 am
by Reactionary
Alpha~Omega wrote:Speaking of 666, i would just like to point out that Carbon's atomic number is 666.

Thats were are mostly made of.
It's only 6 actually. ;)

Atomic number is a number of protons in an atom's nucleus. No atom can have such a high amount of protons, the highest is somewhere about 112-115.

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:23 am
by Alpha~Omega
Shows how much i got out of chemistry class...

Thanks for the correction Reactionary haha.

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:33 am
by Reactionary
Alpha~Omega wrote:Shows how much i got out of chemistry class...

Thanks for the correction Reactionary haha.
:wink:

Re: 666 or 616?

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:08 pm
by kevdog19
In my humble oppinion I think the number of the beast is 216, 6X6X6. God's numbers are 4, 7, and 1.