Evidence for God from Science

Throughout the bible their are hundreds of referances of god directly talking to people such as abraham, moses, judah, paul, adam, eve, jesus, ect..
But why did he stop directly speaking to us in the sense of like appearing as a burning bush? Why does our modern world lack the amount of beyond rational explanation miracles that were ever so prevalent in the old and new testaments.

Murray wrote:Throughout the bible their are hundreds of referances of god directly talking to people such as abraham, moses, judah, paul, adam, eve, jesus, ect..
But why did he stop directly speaking to us in the sense of like appearing as a burning bush? Why does our modern world lack the amount of beyond rational explanation miracles that were ever so prevalent in the old and new testaments.

You answered your own question: beyond rational explanation and cannot accept that God does speak in various ways and means today...

Next, in the OT such miracles were rare as well too...

B. W. wrote:

Murray wrote:Throughout the bible their are hundreds of referances of god directly talking to people such as abraham, moses, judah, paul, adam, eve, jesus, ect..
But why did he stop directly speaking to us in the sense of like appearing as a burning bush? Why does our modern world lack the amount of beyond rational explanation miracles that were ever so prevalent in the old and new testaments.

You answered your own question: beyond rational explanation and cannot accept that God does speak in various ways and means today...

Next, in the OT such miracles were rare as well too...

So, are you saying there is no reason why god stopped doing these beyond rational explanaion miracles"?

Murray wrote:

B. W. wrote:

Murray wrote:Throughout the bible their are hundreds of references of god directly talking to people such as abraham, moses, judah, paul, adam, eve, Jesus, etc..
But why did he stop directly speaking to us in the sense of like appearing as a burning bush? Why does our modern world lack the amount of beyond rational explanation miracles that were ever so prevalent in the old and new testaments.

You answered your own question: beyond rational explanation and cannot accept that God does speak in various ways and means today...

Next, in the OT such miracles were rare as well too...

So, are you saying there is no reason why god stopped doing these beyond rational explanation miracles"?

No - it is because human beings seek rational explanations to explain away any and all miracles. For example, the greatest miracle viewed by all mortal human beings to this very day and that is this earth and universe. Human beings seek and design rational explanations for what they see and thus deny the creator’s greatest proof of his miraculous undertaking. (Romans 1:20, 21c)
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B. W. wrote:

Murray wrote:

B. W. wrote:

Murray wrote:Throughout the bible their are hundreds of references of god directly talking to people such as abraham, moses, judah, paul, adam, eve, Jesus, etc..
But why did he stop directly speaking to us in the sense of like appearing as a burning bush? Why does our modern world lack the amount of beyond rational explanation miracles that were ever so prevalent in the old and new testaments.

You answered your own question: beyond rational explanation and cannot accept that God does speak in various ways and means today...

Next, in the OT such miracles were rare as well too...

So, are you saying there is no reason why god stopped doing these beyond rational explanation miracles"?

No - it is because human beings seek rational explanations to explain away any and all miracles. For example, the greatest miracle viewed by all mortal human beings to this very day and that is this earth and universe. Human beings seek and design rational explanations for what they see and thus deny the creator’s greatest proof of his miraculous undertaking. (Romans 1:20, 21c)
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Do you believe that god does not want us to attept to explain this amazing creation that he has made? I mean the universe is a truly amazing and beautiful thing, I believe god wants us to explore it and attempt to explain it. However I do agree with you on the topic of we rationalize to much, we must always realize that it was originally gods doing.

Murray wrote:Do you believe that god does not want us to attept to explain this amazing creation that he has made? I mean the universe is a truly amazing and beatiful thing, I believe god wants us to explore it and attempt to explain it. However I do agree with you on the topic of we rationalize to much, we must always realize that it was origonally gods doing.

This is why I have a huge problem with atheists (the likes of Dawkins for example) who go on claiming that theists undermine science when they invoke a creator. As if this creator gave us the ability to reason to then turn around and make us withhold its use. God is the creator of all, including science and reason. It is no wonder that they are both converging more than ever before towards Him.

There is no good evidence that ANY of that was beyond mere natural hallucinations, self-hypnosis, and perceptual distortions. The human brain is disproportionally large for our body. While this obviously gives us the ability to fathom what is far beyond our direct experience, it carries a huge cost: Our imagination can run wild beyond control. The same brain that lets us get to the moon can manufacture complicated tales and convince itself they are real.

SatisfiedAtheist wrote:There is no good evidence that ANY of that was beyond mere natural hallucinations, self-hypnosis, and perceptual distortions. The human brain is disproportionally large for our body. While this obviously gives us the ability to fathom what is far beyond our direct experience, it carries a huge cost: Our imagination can run wild beyond control. The same brain that lets us get to the moon can manufacture complicated tales and convince itself they are real.

What you said makes no sense and explains nothing, it was a derogative statement meant to be taken offensively, there is not a sliver of evidence against such things, perhaps you should talk to atheist who used to be exactly like you and was changed by experiences such as NDEs. How do you use logic and reason to explain this, in the 18th century, 2 men has an NDE, the 2 men wrote books about their experience,(note this is before any way of fast communication), and the fascinating thing is, they were almost identical. Now you might try to say this was self imposed hypnosis, now that makes no sense. In order for one to experience the same self imposed hypnosis as another, you would need the same person directing your hypnosis, but in this case it is 2 different people which makes it highly unlikely that 2 people can have derive the same self hypnosis with such similarities. Now that is using logic and reason, but saying well everything is just a big coincidence is not logic and reason.

SatisfiedAtheist wrote:There is no good evidence that ANY of that was beyond mere natural hallucinations, self-hypnosis, and perceptual distortions. The human brain is disproportionally large for our body. While this obviously gives us the ability to fathom what is far beyond our direct experience, it carries a huge cost: Our imagination can run wild beyond control. The same brain that lets us get to the moon can manufacture complicated tales and convince itself they are real.

There really is no substance here aside from "we have imaginations, therefore God is imaginary". Not exactly a bulletproof philosophical arguement.

I guess we would be silly to believe in atoms or physical laws or any claims of knowledge since our silly imaginations get the best of us when we do so.

Hi
I dont know about anyone else, but my experience when i am stuck on what to reply to somone about what i beleive etc... i pray a lot and ask God for guidance.
Sometimes after much praying ( sometimes days later )its like the answer explodes into my head and all becomes clear and i know what to say.
I beleive this is God speaking to me, because i know that the answer did not come from my mind as it was a sudden realisation and it felt like someone speaking to me.
I have never seen a burning bush etc... but i have had many experiences that i cannot explain.
In conclusion i beleive that God does still speak to us in a very real way.

Your Friend
Daniel

Byblos wrote:

Murray wrote:Do you believe that god does not want us to attept to explain this amazing creation that he has made? I mean the universe is a truly amazing and beatiful thing, I believe god wants us to explore it and attempt to explain it. However I do agree with you on the topic of we rationalize to much, we must always realize that it was origonally gods doing.

This is why I have a huge problem with atheists (the likes of Dawkins for example) who go on claiming that theists undermine science when they invoke a creator. As if this creator gave us the ability to reason to then turn around and make us withhold its use. God is the creator of all, including science and reason. It is no wonder that they are both converging more than ever before towards Him.

I agree. And once you get done to it. To the very cell itself, Dawkins does admit "well maybe that implies there is a creator," but then shrugs it off with another following statement: "or perhaps, it was aliens,"



--yeah, real scientific analysis there--

have you ever seen these aliens, touched them, smelled them, tasted them, heard them?
Man, that makes them go in the same man-made idea basket that the tooth fairy, God, and Santa Claus is in.