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Apologetics not evidenceof anything?

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:00 pm
by dorkmaster
In a debate with an atheist, i linked tgis site to him. He immediately dismissed apologetics entirely. It seemed to me like tge only thing he would accept is a literal interpretation of the bible. How can you dismiss apologetics, tgen claim a default victory?

Re: Apologetics not evidenceof anything?

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:10 am
by SnowDrops
If apologetics aren't evidence, then neither are the "atheist apologetics". Sure, they don't call them that, but essentially they are. In which case almost all people alive today should be agnostics, since we don't really know what is true.
Have him explain though why they don't count. Right now it just sounds like an ad hominem attack. Or he simply has no idea what to say. Or perhaps he is commiting the logical fallacy of "the source wants to prove this, so arguments they give aren't true".

Here's a list of logical fallacies: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

Re: Apologetics not evidenceof anything?

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:42 am
by MarcusOfLycia
Well, that's a non-starter for any sort of discussion. Its kind of like saying:

"Oh, you have reasons to believe what you believe? Those reasons don't count. Okay. Now, lets have a debate."

Re: Apologetics not evidenceof anything?

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:11 am
by jlay
Or, "We can have a debate about whether God exists, but you can't reference the Bible."

Re: Apologetics not evidenceof anything?

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:48 am
by KravMagaSelfDefense
dorkmaster wrote:In a debate with an atheist, i linked tgis site to him. He immediately dismissed apologetics entirely. It seemed to me like tge only thing he would accept is a literal interpretation of the bible. How can you dismiss apologetics, tgen claim a default victory?
Yeah I agree with everyone else here, he doesn't sound like the kind of person you can have a rational conversation with. plus you said you "linked" the website to him, if he's a cyber-atheist then it's probably even worse, being anonymous brings out the worst in people I find. The entire point of a debate is exchanging views, if the exchange is only one-sided, with him refusing to listen to your arguments, then there's no debate at all. The truth is that you can only "dismiss apologetics then claim default victory" in your mind, your very deluded mind, because that's no victory at all, if anything it's a loss because you have revealed that you're too desperate and convicted by the evidence to even look at it... that's what it sounds like to me. Don't sweat it, I know how you feel, you just want to correct him but he won't listen, it's quite frustrating but you have to realize that with someone like that you just have to walk away. Take care! :)