amann wrote:i stumbled across this forum and saw the bashing of atheism or those who do not fully subscribe to Christianity. Well you said you wanted one to come and reply, here i am. im going to post a quote of myself from a conversation i recently had and then i will address each individual in the forum, here it goes.
Sounds promising.
"lawrence, are you saying that a 2,000 year old text which we cannot factually verify, dont know who actually wrote it,
Not a good start, my atheist friend.
The earliest manuscript evidence we have for Jesus' existence dates to within 10s of years of His death. This stands in complete contrast to other ancient figures. Evidence for Plato, for example, dates to as ’early’ as 1300 years after his death. Do you believe Plato existed? Do you dispute the authorship of Plato, or Caesar or Homer?
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetic ... PHyr6qkeTG
There are tens of thousands of manuscripts from the New Testament, in part or in whole, dating from the second century A.D. to the late fifteenth century, when the printing press was invented. These manuscripts have been found in Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Greece, and Italy, making collusion unlikely. The oldest manuscript, the John Rylands manuscript, has been dated to 125 A.D. and was found in Egypt, some distance from where the New Testament was originally composed in Asia Minor.
Many early Christian papyri, discovered in 1935, have been dated to 150 A.D., and include the four gospels. The Papyrus Bodmer II, discovered in 1956, has been dated to 200 A.D., and contains 14 chapters and portions of the last seven chapters of the gospel of John. The Chester Beatty biblical papyri, discovered in 1931, has been dated to 200-250 A.D. and contains the Gospels, Acts, Paul's Epistles, and Revelation.
The number of manuscripts is extensive compared to other ancient historical writings, such as Caesar's "Gallic Wars" (10 Greek manuscripts, the earliest 950 years after the original), the "Annals" of Tacitus (2 manuscripts, the earliest 950 years after the original), Livy (20 manuscripts, the earliest 350 years after the original), and Plato (7 manuscripts).
amann wrote:and half of the book is nothing but an angry vengeful man in the sky who enjoys long walks through eden and the torture and sacrifice of his own creations
is less flawed at explaining the natural world than science as a whole??
1. Rhetorical only.
2. Please explain how science “explains the natural world as a whole”…
amann wrote: HA, stop being a sheep and be a shepard. you need a reality check dude. "the majority is assumed" you say? thats not the case at all, if you knew anything about science you would know that anything can be simulated with mathematical formulas, and you would know that science is moving very fast tword trying to understand the natural world around us.
Oh my - the old science-of-the-gaps is back! You’re not doing very well here, Mann.
amann wrote: We have already come so far. just a few hundred years ago the general consensus was the world was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, and the earth as a whole was only a few 1,000 years old.
we now know how ignorant the people were, the quest for knowledge and truth is the key here. you can read a book, take it to heart in the most literal way possible, and think you have all the answers (a sheep) or you can go out and learn about things from multiple sources like the higgs bosen, string theory, evolution, ect. and decide what you believe not from a book but from your own mind (a Shepard)"
1. Please provide documentation proving that “just a few hundred years ago the general consensus was the world was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, and the earth as a whole was only a few 1,000 years old.”
2. Rhetorical only.
amann wrote:@StMonicaGuideMe YOU are repeating someone else's words, the closed minded-ness and intolerance is atrocious but also kind of humorous because you are only discrediting yourself.
Mann, it is ironic that you should say this to sister Monica, because you have utterly discredited yourself with your very first post.
Welcome to the board. Could you please point out what are referring to when you said " KNOW all that stuff"?