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Gman, since you are interested in everything Israel, could you give your opinions on what happened in the USS Liberty coverup?

RickD wrote:Gman, since you are interested in everything Israel, could you give your opinions on what happened in the USS Liberty coverup?

A mistake by Israel...

Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 as full payment to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the U.S. claim of $7,644,146 for material damage to the Liberty itself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

And we make mistakes too...

Ok, I've read a little about it, and it seems to me like Israel knew who they were attacking. At least from the accounts I read from those aboard the Liberty, and pilots that attacked the ship. Numerous times, I read that the Israeli pilots asked if they were still to attack after the Liberty was identified as American.
I guess maybe it seems Israel attacked the Liberty, because Israel felt the US may have jeopardized israel's first strike surprise capabilities.

RickD wrote:Ok, I've read a little about it, and it seems to me like Israel knew who they were attacking. At least from the accounts I read from those aboard the Liberty, and pilots that attacked the ship. Numerous times, I read that the Israeli pilots asked if they were still to attack after the Liberty was identified as American.
I guess maybe it seems Israel attacked the Liberty, because Israel felt the US may have jeopardized israel's first strike surprise capabilities.

Just be careful of the liberal media who wish to distort truth and cast lies.... It's these same conspirators who think that the US government caused 911. It's also the same rhetoric that the Iranian president spouted at the UN..

They also attacked their own tanks by accident, the US has also made many mistkes in war attacking their own or allies.

Gman, if you get the time, I'd appreciate your comments on this. It's a little long, but interesting, to say the least.
http://www.alanhart.net/why-really-was- ... ?wpmp_tp=0

RickD wrote:Gman, if you get the time, I'd appreciate your comments on this. It's a little long, but interesting, to say the least.
http://www.alanhart.net/why-really-was- ... ?wpmp_tp=0

I didn't have to read much to understand his point. This guy is a crack pot and hasn't studied much history. Zionism is the enemy of the Jews? Jews are hunted down wherever they live even before Israel (Zionism) was established as a nation.. This is a spiritual problem. In fact it was God who established the nation of Israel today so if this person wants to go against the God of Abraham, then be my guest..

Gman wrote:

RickD wrote:Gman, if you get the time, I'd appreciate your comments on this. It's a little long, but interesting, to say the least.
http://www.alanhart.net/why-really-was- ... ?wpmp_tp=0

I didn't have to read much to understand his point. This guy is a crack pot and hasn't studied much history. Zionism is the enemy of the Jews? Jews are hunted down wherever they live even before Israel (Zionism) was established as a nation.. This is a spiritual problem. In fact it was God who established the nation of Israel today so if this person wants to go against the God of Abraham, then be my quest..

Is that your opinion after reading the entire article?

RickD wrote: Is that your opinion after reading the entire article?

Yes.. This guy is way off track... Israel has been setup by God almighty. Anyone who opposes it or it's borders are actually attacking God Himself. And that warning goes for Christians as well..

We have to be very very careful how we handle Israel, God has established it as a nation for a specific reason.

It's hands off.. Don't mess with it.

Gman wrote:

RickD wrote: Is that your opinion after reading the entire article?

Yes.. This guy is way off track... Israel has been setup by God almighty. Anyone who opposes it or it's borders are actually attacking God Himself. And that warning goes for Christians as well..

We have to be very very careful how we handle Israel, God has established it as a nation for a specific reason.

It's hands off.. Don't mess with it.

What about the part where The Israeli planes knew it was a US ship, and continued to try to sink it. Apparently, the attack went on for 70-90 minutes. Some of that time was after it was identified as the USS Liberty. This is the same story on other accounts besides this one.
I'm not trying to blame Israel, if that's what you're assuming. I just think the whole thing smells like a cover-up. Whether the US did something to anger Israel, or Israel thought wrongly that the Liberty was listening in on their transmissions, I don't know. It just seems very fishy that from all different accounts I've read, the Israelis continued the attack after they recognized the ship as American. Then the US govt. brushed the whole thing under the rug. Very quick investigation. Maybe the US was up to no good, and that's why our govt. called it an accident.
Call me skeptical of the official story of it being an accident, but I'm very skeptical when it comes to our govt.

RickD wrote: What about the part where The Israeli planes knew it was a US ship, and continued to try to sink it. Apparently, the attack went on for 70-90 minutes. Some of that time was after it was identified as the USS Liberty. This is the same story on other accounts besides this one.

It's what we call his speculation... The report says it was a mistake. This guy is blatantly anti-Israeli... A conspirator.

RickD wrote:I'm not trying to blame Israel, if that's what you're assuming. I just think the whole thing smells like a cover-up. Whether the US did something to anger Israel, or Israel thought wrongly that the Liberty was listening in on their transmissions, I don't know. It just seems very fishy that from all different accounts I've read, the Israelis continued the attack after they recognized the ship as American. Then the US govt. brushed the whole thing under the rug. Very quick investigation. Maybe the US was up to no good, and that's why our govt. called it an accident.
Call me skeptical of the official story of it being an accident, but I'm very skeptical when it comes to our govt.

No one is making the claim that the US or Israeli governments are squeaky clean.. If you want to did up dirt it's extremely easy to do.. But you don't throw the baby out with the bath water either. We all make mistakes, but we don't erase the board on a few silly mistakes..

RickD wrote:What about the part where The Israeli planes knew it was a US ship, and continued to try to sink it. Apparently, the attack went on for 70-90 minutes. Some of that time was after it was identified as the USS Liberty. This is the same story on other accounts besides this one.



It's what we call his speculation... The report says it was a mistake. This guy is blatantly anti-Israeli... A conspirator.

It's possible that he's anti-Israel. That's not what I'm saying. Even the link you provided agrees with what I'm saying. Many of the Liberty survivors don't believe it was an accident. This guy isn't the only one. Are they all anti-Israel? That, I find hard to believe. It's kinda like anyone who speaks out against Obama, is a racist.
Actually, from the accounts I've read, many or the Liberty survivors are angry at our govt., as well as Israel.

No one is making the claim that the US or Israeli governments are squeaky clean.. If you want to did up dirt it's extremely easy to do.. But you don't throw the baby out with the bath water either. We all make mistakes, but we don't erase the board on a few silly mistakes..

Who's saying erase the board? Certainly I'm not saying that if that's what you're implying. You seem to be avoiding the questions I've asked. Or, do you really believe, after reading the different accounts from Liberty survivors, as well as surviving Israeli pilots, that it was truly a case of mistaken identity? Or, maybe you don't know as much about this, as I assumed you knew?

Israel messed up, they probably, judging from historical facts did attack on purpose.

Thats it, it's bad, horrible actually, but it's no reason to abandon Israel. All Israel citizens did not want it, the president or the head commander of Israel did not want it.

A Israeli senior officer most likely ordered it, and im sure he regrets it but Israel was frantically swinging for its survival. If there attack had been predicted they may have been invaded and lost, so I suppose understanding is the best way to address this issue.

America is not perfect in it's military either, read about the mass executions of prisoner by american soldiers during the north African/ Italian campaign in WWII

RickD wrote:It's possible that he's anti-Israel. That's not what I'm saying.

Oh he is anti-Israeli.. Anyone who promotes a book called "Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews" is obviously against the nation of Israel.

RickD wrote:Even the link you provided agrees with what I'm saying. Many of the Liberty survivors don't believe it was an accident. This guy isn't the only one. Are they all anti-Israel? That, I find hard to believe. It's kinda like anyone who speaks out against Obama, is a racist.
Actually, from the accounts I've read, many or the Liberty survivors are angry at our govt., as well as Israel.

Ultimately it is God who knows what happened. You asked what my opinion was on it and I gave it to you.. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. The important thing here is that Israel is willing to make concessions. People like this are only trying to divide the U.S. and Israel. Jimmy Carter and his rhetoric is another one who is trying to make the divide even bigger.

Israel has so few friends right now.. No one really wants it around anymore.. These huge oil companies want to see it sink. If the U.S. walked away from her, she would be left alone to defend herself.

RickD wrote:Who's saying erase the board? Certainly I'm not saying that if that's what you're implying. You seem to be avoiding the questions I've asked. Or, do you really believe, after reading the different accounts from Liberty survivors, as well as surviving Israeli pilots, that it was truly a case of mistaken identity? Or, maybe you don't know as much about this, as I assumed you knew?

I'm not saying you are anti-Israeli Rick, so please don't take what I say personal. I'm not avoiding the question. I think it is speculation..

What I know is that God is behind Israel... God established it as a nation in 1948.. There is no question in my mind what is going on here.. You are either for it or against it. Everyone is going to have to make a choice on it soon or don't and forever question it with the "what if" syndrome. Well what if Israel is actually run by an Italian mob? What if Israel is trying to destroy Wall Street? What if Israel is trying to construct a giant Easter bunny to take over the world?

Who cares?? I wish them luck in their quest to try and de-throne God's chosen people the Jews..

Gman,
I asked a question pertaining to a specific incident between Israel, and the US. I'm not sure how it got to this:

Who cares?? I wish them luck in their quest to try and de-throne God's chosen people the Jews..

I just wanted to know what happened to the USS Liberty. Period. I'm sure that not everyone who questions the official findings, is anti-Israel. Some just want to know why they were attacked by an ally, and don't trust OUR govt. I believe the blame for the coverup should fall on the US govt's shoulders. They have the moral responsibility to be honest withe the Liberty survivors, and the families of those killed.