Science and Determinism

[Hjarloprillar]

What is determinism?

Ok -example..
say last Tuesday a snapshot of reality was taken.
Down to the mass/energy/spin of every particle in existence.

Then we restart reality from that point.
Everything should happen exactly the same.
Very 'newtonian' and correct in a gross physical way over a set time.

But at sub atomic realm. Things do not happen the same way. particles appear and vanish
'without cause' but they 'Do have an effect' on reality.
It takes a long time to cascade upwards to gross reality. But it does.
Snapshots of reality 3000 years back will never result in same reality we have now

But how about free will?

thats another thread.

prill

[Canuckster1127]

I've heard similar lines before with references in science to Heisenbergs uncertainty principle.

Determinism in science, I think, is a very different context and situation than determinism in philosophy. That which is seen currently in science as random may very well not be, until if and when further knowledge is obtained that explains certain phenomena. We don't know for example what the implications would be in this and other scientific realms, if or when the singularity were to be determined. In science's case, the determinism would be solely subject to the physical laws of interaction. You can't (to my knowledge) extend that out to biology and then to man and demonstrate a physical basis or chain that leads to every human decision or change of direction.

When you begin to enter into those realms, transitionong from physical science, at best, all you're doing is drawing an analogy, which may or may not be relevant.

That's what come to my mind anyway.

[Hjarloprillar]

Philosoph

What has that to do with it?
That is subjective position.

Particles appear without cause 'acausal' in sub atomic realm.. NO or yes?
singularity?
All laws of reality WILL [and form] reach into biology, not human decision but state of play for such. A different brain renders a different result.

I draw no analogy. Analogy to a lesser thing? The laws are the rules that make us real.

Prill

[Hjarloprillar]

Law is law

Not philosophy .

Uncertainty renders the oh so safe Newtonian world to a not so safe one.

tough

prill

[Echoside]

What is determinism?
Then we restart reality from that point.
Everything should happen exactly the same.
Very 'newtonian' and correct in a gross physical way over a set time.

As there is no way to test what is said here, drawing conclusions from it is a fruitless exercise.

As for particles being "uncaused" that is also unproven; at one point the classical version of physics was all that was known. It's always folly to assume physics as we know it today isn't also flawed on some level.