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Scientists admit holes in naturalistic cosmology

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:54 pm
by MarcusOfLycia
I found this on twitter today and it was a good (though short) read.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intellig ... Descent%29

Re: Scientists admit holes in naturalistic cosmology

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:51 pm
by Ivellious
Frankly, while I understand the desire to discover the origins of the universe, I don't think we could reasonably come up with any true evidence for any kind of explanation. It's all speculation, and with so many conflicting ideas out there (both "scientific" and not) it doesn't seem like we've gotten very far with it. Plus it's all over my head, so I'll stick to reading about the cosmology of things we can actually observe in space, like black holes and planets and stars and such.

Re: Scientists admit holes in naturalistic cosmology

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:19 pm
by MarcusOfLycia
Depends on who you ask. While some biologists would say you couldn't come up with evidence, it is becoming the consensus of physicists that you must adopt a supernatural explanation to the origin of the universe:

http://www.godevidence.com/2011/01/what ... s-down-to/

Re: Scientists admit holes in naturalistic cosmology

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:11 am
by Stu
Naturalistic cosmology is a non-starter.
It goes back to WLC's Kalam Cosmological Argument.

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. The universe has a cause.

And no, the quantum vacuum is not nothing.
Hawking and his counterparts seek to redefine "nothing" into "something" by appealing to the quantum vacuum, but electromagnetic waves are not nothing.
The inescapable outcome is that both theists and atheists have to invoke the supernatural as a cause for the universes existence.

Only nothing can come from nothing. It seems a temporary suspension of logic and common sense has been deemed acceptable by certain folk just to escape the unavoidable truth staring us in the face y:-?

Re: Scientists admit holes in naturalistic cosmology

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:24 am
by Danieltwotwenty
Denial is a funny thing.

Dan

Re: Scientists admit holes in naturalistic cosmology

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:50 am
by StMonicaGuideMe
Amen, brother Dan.