How days are calculated (Jewish Calendar) Resurrection???
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:57 pm
First, How are Days calculated (Jewish Calendar)... is it simply sunset to sunset? Is it 6pm to 6pm? 6am to 6am?
-is it evening to day is a (full day) two parts, or day to evening a (full day) still two parts?
Jewish calendar vs. civil calendar... is 6 mean 6, 9 mean 9, 3 mean 3... or would it mean 3 (Jewish calendar) is 9(civil calendar)?
When they say the third hour, would this mean 3, or 9 going off 6 is the start of a day?
Can we really know the exact crucifixion death as well as burial and then resurrection? I personally reject a Friday crucifixion, but I admit I could be wrong!!! I cannot calculate three days and three nights period? Also... is it true that even half or part of a day/night would be considered a full day/night, when calculating three days and three nights, if so... a Thursday crucifixion could be plausible. I've in recent past held to a Wed crucifixion 6 to 6 Thur (1st day/night), 6 to 6 Fri (2nd day/night), 6 to 6 Sat (3rd day/night), and then resurrection being Sun morn before sunrise!!! However, this raise several questions but only after the above are answered based on sunset/sunrise vs. sunrise/sunset and 6pm to 6pm vs. 6am to 6am??? Either way, this brings in part of a 4th either day/night, in which may be a 4th complete day is part or half days are considered full days or not? From time of crucifixion til death when He gave up the Spirit... it said it got dark (is this the start of the days), or does it start after the burial?
This then brings the question if at least minimum three days and three nights were filled, does this prove truth to the prophesy? Or does it have to be exact? Would exact be complete of three 24hr periods? (Jonah 1:17 & Matthew 12:40) "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". Does this mean He has to be dead for at least or exactly three 24hr time periods? Or Dead and risen by at least or exactly three 24hrs time periods?
Is it true that once a year the Jews could (not that they did), have 3 Sabbaths in an eight day period? Is there a such as a High Sabbath? (John 18:39, 19:31, 20:1,19)... or do we read this "into" the text?
Does this mean that Christ had to eat His Passover meal a day early (would that be breaking tradition/law?) because the next day He literally would become our sacrifice?
Was resurrection late Sat night (evening), or early Sun morn before sunrise???
Now, here are some thoughts from gotquestions.org which is why I ask, and none the less, a bit confused.
"Those who argue for a Friday crucifixion say that there is still a valid way in which He could have been considered in the grave for three days. In the Jewish mind of the first century, a part of day was considered as a full day. Since Jesus was in the grave for part of Friday, all of Saturday, and part of Sunday—He could be considered to have been in the grave for three days. One of the principal arguments for Friday is found in Mark 15:42; which notes that Jesus was crucified “the day before the Sabbath.” If that was the weekly Sabbath, i.e. Saturday, then that fact leads to a Friday crucifixion. Another argument for Friday says that verses such as Matthew 16:21 and Luke 9:22 teach that Jesus would rise on the third day; therefore, He would not need to be in the grave a full three days and nights. But while some translations use “on the third day” for these verses, not all do, and not everyone agrees that “on the third day” is the best way to translate these verses. Furthermore, Mark 8:31 says that Jesus will be raised “after” three days."
"The Thursday argument expands on the Friday view and argues mainly that there are too many events (some count as many as twenty) happening between Christ's burial and Sunday morning to occur from Friday evening to Sunday morning. Proponents of the Thursday view point out that this is especially a problem when the only full day between Friday and Sunday was Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. An extra day or two eliminates that problem. The Thursday advocates could reason thus: suppose you haven't seen a friend since Monday evening. The next time you see him it is Thursday morning and you say, “I haven’t seen you in three days” even though it had technically only been 60 hours (2.5 days). If Jesus was crucified on Thursday, this example shows how it could be considered three days."
"The Wednesday opinion states that there were two Sabbaths that week. After the first one (the one that occurred on the evening of the crucifixion [Mark 15:42; Luke 23:52-54]), the women purchased spices—note that they made their purchase after the Sabbath (Mark 16:1). The Wednesday view holds that this “Sabbath” was the Passover (see Leviticus 23:24-32where high holy days that are not necessarily the seventh day of the week are referred to as the Sabbath). The second Sabbath that week was the normal weekly Sabbath. Note that in Luke 23:56, the women who had purchased spices after the first Sabbath returned and prepared the spices, then “rested on the Sabbath” (Luke 23:56). The argument states that they could not purchase the spices after the Sabbath, yet prepare those spices before the Sabbath—unless there were two Sabbaths. With the two-Sabbath view, if Christ was crucified on Thursday, then the high holy Sabbath (the Passover) would have begun Thursday at sundown and ended at Friday sundown—at the beginning of the weekly Sabbath or Saturday. Purchasing the spices after the first Sabbath (Passover) would have meant they purchased them on Saturday and were breaking the Sabbath.
Therefore, according to the Wednesday viewpoint, the only explanation that does not violate the biblical account of the women and the spices and holds to a literal understanding of Matthew 12:40, is that Christ was crucified on Wednesday. The Sabbath that was a high holy day (Passover) occurred on Thursday, the women purchased spices (after that) on Friday and returned and prepared the spices on the same day, they rested on Saturday which was the weekly Sabbath, then brought the spices to the tomb early Sunday. Jesus was buried near sundown on Wednesday, which began Thursday in the Jewish calendar. Using a Jewish calendar, you have Thursday night (night one), Thursday day (day one), Friday night (night two), Friday day (day two), Saturday night (night three), Saturday day (day three). We do not know exactly when He rose, but we do know that it was before sunrise on Sunday (John 20:1, Mary Magdalene came “while it was still dark”), so He could have risen as early as just after sunset Saturday evening, which began the first day of the week to the Jews.
A possible problem with the Wednesday view is that the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus did so on “the same day” of His resurrection (Luke 24:13). The disciples, who do not recognize Jesus, tell Him of Jesus' crucifixion (24:21) and say that “today is the third day since these things happened” (24:22). Wednesday to Sunday is four days. A possible explanation is that they may have been counting since Wednesday evening at Christ's burial, which begins the Jewish Thursday, and Thursday to Sunday could be counted as three days."
-is it evening to day is a (full day) two parts, or day to evening a (full day) still two parts?
Jewish calendar vs. civil calendar... is 6 mean 6, 9 mean 9, 3 mean 3... or would it mean 3 (Jewish calendar) is 9(civil calendar)?
When they say the third hour, would this mean 3, or 9 going off 6 is the start of a day?
Can we really know the exact crucifixion death as well as burial and then resurrection? I personally reject a Friday crucifixion, but I admit I could be wrong!!! I cannot calculate three days and three nights period? Also... is it true that even half or part of a day/night would be considered a full day/night, when calculating three days and three nights, if so... a Thursday crucifixion could be plausible. I've in recent past held to a Wed crucifixion 6 to 6 Thur (1st day/night), 6 to 6 Fri (2nd day/night), 6 to 6 Sat (3rd day/night), and then resurrection being Sun morn before sunrise!!! However, this raise several questions but only after the above are answered based on sunset/sunrise vs. sunrise/sunset and 6pm to 6pm vs. 6am to 6am??? Either way, this brings in part of a 4th either day/night, in which may be a 4th complete day is part or half days are considered full days or not? From time of crucifixion til death when He gave up the Spirit... it said it got dark (is this the start of the days), or does it start after the burial?
This then brings the question if at least minimum three days and three nights were filled, does this prove truth to the prophesy? Or does it have to be exact? Would exact be complete of three 24hr periods? (Jonah 1:17 & Matthew 12:40) "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". Does this mean He has to be dead for at least or exactly three 24hr time periods? Or Dead and risen by at least or exactly three 24hrs time periods?
Is it true that once a year the Jews could (not that they did), have 3 Sabbaths in an eight day period? Is there a such as a High Sabbath? (John 18:39, 19:31, 20:1,19)... or do we read this "into" the text?
Does this mean that Christ had to eat His Passover meal a day early (would that be breaking tradition/law?) because the next day He literally would become our sacrifice?
Was resurrection late Sat night (evening), or early Sun morn before sunrise???
Now, here are some thoughts from gotquestions.org which is why I ask, and none the less, a bit confused.
"Those who argue for a Friday crucifixion say that there is still a valid way in which He could have been considered in the grave for three days. In the Jewish mind of the first century, a part of day was considered as a full day. Since Jesus was in the grave for part of Friday, all of Saturday, and part of Sunday—He could be considered to have been in the grave for three days. One of the principal arguments for Friday is found in Mark 15:42; which notes that Jesus was crucified “the day before the Sabbath.” If that was the weekly Sabbath, i.e. Saturday, then that fact leads to a Friday crucifixion. Another argument for Friday says that verses such as Matthew 16:21 and Luke 9:22 teach that Jesus would rise on the third day; therefore, He would not need to be in the grave a full three days and nights. But while some translations use “on the third day” for these verses, not all do, and not everyone agrees that “on the third day” is the best way to translate these verses. Furthermore, Mark 8:31 says that Jesus will be raised “after” three days."
"The Thursday argument expands on the Friday view and argues mainly that there are too many events (some count as many as twenty) happening between Christ's burial and Sunday morning to occur from Friday evening to Sunday morning. Proponents of the Thursday view point out that this is especially a problem when the only full day between Friday and Sunday was Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. An extra day or two eliminates that problem. The Thursday advocates could reason thus: suppose you haven't seen a friend since Monday evening. The next time you see him it is Thursday morning and you say, “I haven’t seen you in three days” even though it had technically only been 60 hours (2.5 days). If Jesus was crucified on Thursday, this example shows how it could be considered three days."
"The Wednesday opinion states that there were two Sabbaths that week. After the first one (the one that occurred on the evening of the crucifixion [Mark 15:42; Luke 23:52-54]), the women purchased spices—note that they made their purchase after the Sabbath (Mark 16:1). The Wednesday view holds that this “Sabbath” was the Passover (see Leviticus 23:24-32where high holy days that are not necessarily the seventh day of the week are referred to as the Sabbath). The second Sabbath that week was the normal weekly Sabbath. Note that in Luke 23:56, the women who had purchased spices after the first Sabbath returned and prepared the spices, then “rested on the Sabbath” (Luke 23:56). The argument states that they could not purchase the spices after the Sabbath, yet prepare those spices before the Sabbath—unless there were two Sabbaths. With the two-Sabbath view, if Christ was crucified on Thursday, then the high holy Sabbath (the Passover) would have begun Thursday at sundown and ended at Friday sundown—at the beginning of the weekly Sabbath or Saturday. Purchasing the spices after the first Sabbath (Passover) would have meant they purchased them on Saturday and were breaking the Sabbath.
Therefore, according to the Wednesday viewpoint, the only explanation that does not violate the biblical account of the women and the spices and holds to a literal understanding of Matthew 12:40, is that Christ was crucified on Wednesday. The Sabbath that was a high holy day (Passover) occurred on Thursday, the women purchased spices (after that) on Friday and returned and prepared the spices on the same day, they rested on Saturday which was the weekly Sabbath, then brought the spices to the tomb early Sunday. Jesus was buried near sundown on Wednesday, which began Thursday in the Jewish calendar. Using a Jewish calendar, you have Thursday night (night one), Thursday day (day one), Friday night (night two), Friday day (day two), Saturday night (night three), Saturday day (day three). We do not know exactly when He rose, but we do know that it was before sunrise on Sunday (John 20:1, Mary Magdalene came “while it was still dark”), so He could have risen as early as just after sunset Saturday evening, which began the first day of the week to the Jews.
A possible problem with the Wednesday view is that the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus did so on “the same day” of His resurrection (Luke 24:13). The disciples, who do not recognize Jesus, tell Him of Jesus' crucifixion (24:21) and say that “today is the third day since these things happened” (24:22). Wednesday to Sunday is four days. A possible explanation is that they may have been counting since Wednesday evening at Christ's burial, which begins the Jewish Thursday, and Thursday to Sunday could be counted as three days."