Evidence for God from Science

Before we start debating whether or not it will ever be possible for ordinary people to bring dead people back to life by non-supernatural means lets say it is possible? Hey, who would have believed airplanes possible 1000 years ago, ok? (That's a rhetorical qustion )

Suppose, say, it becomes possible, and after being dead at least a few days a person is brought back to life does his or her soul stay in heaven or hell or what?

ultimate777 » Wed May 16, 2012 8:52 pm

Before we start debating whether or not it will ever be possible for ordinary people to bring dead people back to life by non-supernatural means lets say it is possible? Hey, who would have believed airplanes possible 1000 years ago, ok? (That's a rhetorical qustion )

Suppose, say, it becomes possible, and after being dead at least a few days a person is brought back to life does his or her soul stay in heaven or hell or what?

it gets lost in the air....

But seriously, if a person is brought back from the dead, he'll just die again, didnt u think of it? so his soul just makes an express trip, and back it goes.

neo-x wrote:

ultimate777 » Wed May 16, 2012 8:52 pm

Before we start debating whether or not it will ever be possible for ordinary people to bring dead people back to life by non-supernatural means lets say it is possible? Hey, who would have believed airplanes possible 1000 years ago, ok? (That's a rhetorical qustion )

Suppose, say, it becomes possible, and after being dead at least a few days a person is brought back to life does his or her soul stay in heaven or hell or what?

it gets lost in the air....

But seriously, if a person is brought back from the dead, he'll just die again, didnt u think of it? so his soul just makes an express trip, and back it goes.

So would that be the second death spoken of in the Bible?

What would be the point if they haven't been regenerated (John 3:3, John 3:6, John 6:63)? Bringing zombies back to life would really be bringing zombies back to death (1 Corinthians 15:45).

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Byblos wrote:

neo-x wrote:

ultimate777 » Wed May 16, 2012 8:52 pm

Before we start debating whether or not it will ever be possible for ordinary people to bring dead people back to life by non-supernatural means lets say it is possible? Hey, who would have believed airplanes possible 1000 years ago, ok? (That's a rhetorical qustion )

Suppose, say, it becomes possible, and after being dead at least a few days a person is brought back to life does his or her soul stay in heaven or hell or what?

it gets lost in the air....

But seriously, if a person is brought back from the dead, he'll just die again, didnt u think of it? so his soul just makes an express trip, and back it goes.

So would that be the second death spoken of in the Bible?

The second death (Revelation 20:6), meaning you're on your way to the lake, I believe is for those who didn't have their part in the first resurrection (John 3:3, John 3:6).

--- IN CHRIST ---
-bradford-

Before we start debating whether or not it will ever be possible for ordinary people to bring dead people back to life by non-supernatural means lets say it is possible? Hey, who would have believed airplanes possible 1000 years ago, ok? (That's a rhetorical qustion )

Suppose, say, it becomes possible, and after being dead at least a few days a person is brought back to life does his or her soul stay in heaven or hell or what?

If you manage to answer that question, well, you solved the greatest puzzle of all times:)) Being immortal would be nice, that of course if we also find a way to solve the overpopulation issue.

But now coming back to more realistic expectations, in 40-50 years time, at the pace technology develops rights now, in theory we will be able to live inside a computer mainframe and thus becoming immortal. I don't know if you could actually revive someone after being dead, but you can surely make sure that they don't die:))

This is just a prediction of how fast technology will develop. That's all. Of course that as technology develops we might find ways to revive people or not... Depending on how old you are now, you might be witness for some of those technologies.

It took 2000 years for man to do what the HS did with a Virgin, who knows what will happen in another 2K.

ultimate777 wrote:Before we start debating whether or not it will ever be possible for ordinary people to bring dead people back to life by non-supernatural means lets say it is possible? Hey, who would have believed airplanes possible 1000 years ago, ok? (That's a rhetorical qustion )

Suppose, say, it becomes possible, and after being dead at least a few days a person is brought back to life does his or her soul stay in heaven or hell or what?

Was Frankenstein a good example? I really do not know what to say here because I do not think it would ever be possible, like the whole freezing your body thing and bringing it back. I think that once your soul goes its gone unless God sends it bacl. It may be different for animals because they have no soul.

I think that people are missing one small issue here, that is the universe is not infinite and will eventually die.

No matter how hard we try to be immortal it is an impossibility with thermodynamics, well at least our current understanding of it.


Dan

Danieltwotwenty wrote:I think that people are missing one small issue here, that is the universe is not infinite and will eventually die.

No matter how hard we try to be immortal it is an impossibility with thermodynamics, well at least our current understanding of it.


Dan

I heard in one of the podcasts I listen to that they think the Universe will actually fall back into a singularity (i.e. it will collapse) if there is no intervention. I don't think it will, because God will likely save the universe and make into a New Creation. Either that, or we wait until it does collapse in the current dimension of Heaven (however it might look right now) and God will make a new Universe with new laws. I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks about it. I lean toward the mending of the current Universe to escape entropy and change the laws of physics so it could be called a New Creation - the merging of Heaven and Earth, as it were.

Revelation 21: Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars —they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

This is suggestive to me that what is now will be remade, since he says that he will "make everything new". The old order of things has passed away - likely including entropy and other factors. It also at the bottom says what the true second death is - it's not dying and then coming back to life and dying again in the same sense.

But it goes on in chapter 22:

Revelation 22: Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

This is VASTLY different than what we have now. Could it be thought that even if there was a "space" in this universe, it'd be obsolete since it says that God himself is the light?

Very interesting Callisto, I never thought about it like that.

Dan

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.

This warms my heart.

Danieltwotwenty wrote:Very interesting Callisto, I never thought about it like that.

Dan

To be fair I didn't think of it like that until I heard the podcast and then went and looked up Revelation. I heard the podcast earlier in the week though and it occurred to me that physics as we know it would be changed - somewhat, at least. No heat death, no collapse into singularity, no darkness at all. An all-encompassing light instead - hasn't Christ said he was "The Way, the Truth, and the Light"?

I'll try to find the podcast - it was a Reasons To Believe podcast, I do know that.

Okay, here's something. It seems to depend on dark matter and the velocity - if the velocity increases it will continue to expand. If it slows, it will get to a point where the velocity is zero and may trigger collapse. Either way - we're going to need an intervention here.

http://www.reasons.org/podcasts/i-didnt ... od-stories
http://www.reasons.org/videos/why-is-th ... -expanding

Thought this was also relevant, where Dr. Craig makes a note of the Hawking-Penrose singularity theorem problems, that if a universe collapses back into a singularity it won't likely come back out of it (no eternally oscillating universe). Mostly it's about entropy though.

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/defender ... ript/s4-12

Oh, and this: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-end-of-the-world

Thanks Callisto, might see if I can watch it on the weekend......thanks to the Queen, Victoria, Australia has a 3 day weekend


Dan