Evidence for God from Science

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I've looked into this in some detail, and I'm highly skeptical of the claim that Jesus's remains have been found, and as far as I am aware, as of April 2012 (more recent than the linked article), a solid majority of scholars are behind me on this one including some very big names in archaeology (based on the number of scholars who have come out against it that I've seen and the poll of scholars on the ASOR blog). The article linked mostly just presents the opinions of the proponents as if they aren't all that controversial. Sadly, this tends to be pretty standard reporting nowadays--report interesting claims without checking to see if they're true or not. There are just too many factors against its authenticity. In spite of Tabor's (the main proponent of the tomb) claims, most scholars doubt that the image represented is a fish spitting up Jonah. If it is, then the fish looks suspiciously like an amphora or nephesh, and it is spitting Jonah downwards, which isn't going to bode well for him. Attempts to link the tomb to Jesus meet with a whole slew of problems, like the names of those around him, the location of the Talpiot tomb itself, etc.

Really, I think this is just a highly publicized bit of nonsense that was pushed onto the public as fact before being reviewed by other scholars, who have mostly found it to be poorly done. From what I understand, Tabor can be a veritable fountain of strange claims (lol Paul, a former pharisee, believed in a non-physical resurrection body, and James was Jesus's successor or something similar), and he's not so good at taking criticism either, from the posts I've seen him make on other scholar's blogs when they disagree with him. Not to disparage a scholar, but judging from the way this whole thing has been forced on the public, almost behind the backs of academia, the presentation of the claims alone should be enough set off some quality alarms.

Yeah, I'm not buying it.

Icthus wrote:as far as I am aware, as of April 2012 (more recent than the linked article), a solid majority of scholars are behind me on this one

This was published mere 4 hours after the "news".
http://www.christianpost.com/news/jesus ... rts-70554/

Reactionary wrote:

Icthus wrote:as far as I am aware, as of April 2012 (more recent than the linked article), a solid majority of scholars are behind me on this one

This was published mere 4 hours after the "news".
http://www.christianpost.com/news/jesus ... rts-70554/

Note also that the first article, as well as the film came out in time for Easter to maximize the hype it could generate.

What's really amazing to me is that these tombs weren't discovered all that recently, at least considering the attention they've gotten in just the last few months. Yet, once a book or a special on the Discovery Channel comes out, the press jumps all over it like it's the latest thing. It reminds me of when Dan Brown started peddling nonsense in his books a few years ago. Everyone at my school seemed to jump on it, and it was all over the news. It seemed to take forever for the hype to die down and for people to start to realize that it was obvious bunk, even with all the historians who denounced it as such. I just hope this continues to fade away like it seems to be.

Nothing new under the sun, just the same old re-hashed arguments and theories that appeal to those who don't really want to work of actual research.
It does amaze me that in this the "information age" with so much info at our fingertips that people don't do some actual searching to see the counter points to these things ( because they KNOW there are some).
It would save them time and some embarassment too.

This news is almost as old as the tomb they found.
Jacobovici, is a joke. He is interested in selling his brand, "the naked archeologist." He is Jewish friendly, and not Christian friendly, and partnered with James Cameron (Titanic movie) for this little expedition. This had "made for TV," written all over it.

jlay wrote:This news is almost as old as the tomb they found.

Who has the time and patience to read this might find out some interesting things, at least from my point of view.

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It raises some important questions about how true is the Jesus resurrection story.

This is an interesting quote from the article I have provided:

The Persian god Mithra, revered by many Romans, was said to have been born of a virgin in a sacred birth-cave of the Rock on December 25, witnessed by shepherds and Magi bringing gifts. He raised the dead, healed the sick, made the blind see and the lame walk, and exorcised devils. Mithra celebrated a Last Supper with his twelve disciples before he died. His image was buried in a rock tomb, but he was withdrawn and said to live again. His triumph and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the spring equinox (Easter)

It's good that back then they didn't have copyright laws or something like that. That would have been a killer lawsuit.

BryanH wrote:It's good that back then they didn't have copyright laws or something like that. That would have been a killer lawsuit.

You have got to do your homework Bryan before perpetuating myths long debunked.

The tektonics website is a good one to go to for "debunking" some of these silly "copycat myths".
It amazes ( but doesn't surprise) that people still bring them up.
An example:
It was kind of funny seeing Bart Ehrman tearing into those "Jesus mythers", especially when I know a few of them that hold Bart as the "go to guy" to debink that Christ exists, LOL !

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html

Of course it is a myth. I know there are different versions of it. Sorry, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

I just like the coincidence. It was more like a joke with the lawsuit.

But the problem is not Mithra. There is also Apollonius of Tyana, another interesting coincidence.

I mean, how many do you want?

BryanH wrote:

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html

Of course it is a myth. I know there are different versions of it. Sorry, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

I just like the coincidence. It was more like a joke with the lawsuit.

But the problem is not Mithra. There is also Apollonius of Tyana, another interesting coincidence.

I mean, how many do you want?

Dude, seriously?
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/apollonius.html
I mean, if you are gonna LOOK for "simialarities" you will find them, even if they are NOT the similar at all.What is your point?

Dude, seriously?
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/apollonius.html
I mean, if you are gonna LOOK for "simialarities" you will find them, even if they are NOT the similar at all.What is your point?

Read the article about Jesus that I provided as well. Very similar to what you have provided from that website about Mithra and Appollonius.

Anyways, the article I have provided you with does not focus on such coincidences, but mainly on discrepancies in the Bible.
As I said, when you have time, read it through.

Bryan,

All posts like your recent ones prove is that you are googling things like, "Jesus' resurrection a fake," looking for things to cut and paste back here. It demonstrates a level of skepticism that tells me you aren't open to the answer. You aren't interested in the answer that tektonics provides, because you have already made up your mind. Maybe you get some strange pleasure being a skeptic on a Christian forum. I don't think you are sincere (and if I'm wrong, then forgive me) and I think anyone giving you answers is throwing pearls to swine. Your satisfied with that Mithra garbage because it is exactly what you are looking for. Congrats.

I mean how many answers do you want? This is old hat. Nothing new. You haven't stumbled on some "Eureka" find that debunks Christianity. Sure, you'd love it if there were some news that would implode the faith of those who post here. I'm sure it would give you great pleasure to undermine the faith of believers. It's nice that you have a little project, bless your heart. In my estimation, you have been judged and found lacking. And your ardent skeptism is only storing up wrath for yourself.