Evidence for God from Science

Who saw the show today about the out of control teen girl who blamed all of her out of control behavior on that she is gay? She admitted to liking guys and girls on the show and then Dr Phil pretty much told her she way gay and needs to accept it. That really bothers me. Teens experiment and often change their minds especially girls. Also from a Christian perspective it sounds like when she got involved with the lesbian girls that is when she started to spiral out of control. That behavior is damaging I do not care what anyone says. Homosexual behavior is damaging spritually and emotionally. I truly believe that she became demonicly oppressed after engaging in such activities. Which is making her confused, depressed, low self esteem, and more. it is not because she is a lesbian trying to cope in a world that doesn't accept her. That world view would like us to believe that but it is a lie. The reason homosexuals have those issues is because of their lifestyle not because the world does not accept them because lets face it the ones who get attacked are the people who call homosexuality a sin not the homosexuals. It just makes me so mad that so many confused teens are being convinced that they are gay because of some same sex attraction. Most teenagers experiment and when left alone about it they grow out of it so to say. When homosexuality is being forced down our throats and kids are being taught that they were born that way its no wonder there are so many so called teens coming out. I do not care what anyone says I do not know one homosexual that is truly happy with themselves. My problem is I have to be really careful where I voice my opinions about this or I will be attacked and called hateful,bigot,closeminded, and much more. I have eve been called a KKK member and a breeder with a littler of kids. That is how hateful these people are when believe differently.

There is a lot to get to in response to this post.

Teens experiment and often change their minds especially girls.

True. But what about adults who only feel attracted to the same sex? No one "chooses" to feel attracted to anyone. People who are gay or bisexual don't "change their mind" one day and become gay/bi.

Also from a Christian perspective it sounds like when she got involved with the lesbian girls that is when she started to spiral out of control

That's nice. Most people realize they are gay around adolescence, when they first start to feel sexual attraction. That's also the age where most people start to fall into bad decisions for a number of reasons; hormones, puberty, peer pressure among them. just because these two things coincide with each other does NOT require a correlation.

That behavior is damaging I do not care what anyone says. Homosexual behavior is damaging spritually and emotionally.

Coming from a straight person, this is always baffling to me. Do you care to justify this statement at all? It seriously just sounds like total bias and bigotry without cause. I don't care if you think it's a sin, but you can't justify saying that being gay automatically damages a person in any way. What about the multitude of highly successful and happy gay people? What about the straight people who aren't happy and are spiritually/emotionally struggling? This statement is just so wrong it hurts to read it.

I truly believe that she became demonicly oppressed after engaging in such activities

Once again, care to justify this belief? You can believe what you wish, but that gives you no right to judge someone like that.

Which is making her confused, depressed, low self esteem, and more.

Yeah, because during puberty there are absolutely NO other factors that could lead to these symptoms except demonic possession. Wow, since 95% of high school students I knew had these symptoms at one point or another, I guess they all must have been gay!

it is not because she is a lesbian trying to cope in a world that doesn't accept her. That world view would like us to believe that but it is a lie.

Please tell me this is an emotional, exaggerated statement. Are you honestly saying that homosexuals don't suffer from any stigma or abuse from anyone in high school? Honestly, even in liberal and accepting places, I don't think there is a worse place for someone to be openly or secretly homosexual than high school. Even outside of school, here are some real reasons why a homosexual in high school might be emotionally torn: "What if my parents/family don't accept me?" "What if my friends don't like me any more?" "What if people find out and I get bullied for it?" "What would people at church think of me?" "Is there something wrong with me?"

So again, please don't tell me that homosexuality is something that is "easy" to deal with as a teenager. That's just ignorant.

The reason homosexuals have those issues is because of their lifestyle not because the world does not accept them because lets face it the ones who get attacked are the people who call homosexuality a sin not the homosexuals.

The only people who get attacked for calling homosexuality a sin are those who combine that belief with stupid and hateful remarks about homosexuals. Like the ones who say that we should kill all the gays or the people who claim that they are the victims of a homosexual agenda. And once again, drawing a teen's issues back to one source is just wrong.

It just makes me so mad that so many confused teens are being convinced that they are gay because of some same sex attraction.

Isn't homosexuality defined by attraction to the same sex? In that case, you would prefer that we tell kids to pretend to be someone other than who they are. I say let them be themselves.

Most teenagers experiment and when left alone about it they grow out of it so to say.

Most? I'd question that call there if you are referring to sexuality. Sure, teens experiment with lots of things, but I've never heard of someone I know just taking same-sex relationships for a test drive on a whim. The only ones who did? The ones who were and are still legitimately attracted to the same sex. They haven't grown out of it, they didn't start because it was a fad...

When homosexuality is being forced down our throats and kids are being taught that they were born that way its no wonder there are so many so called teens coming out. I do not care what anyone says I do not know one homosexual that is truly happy with themselves.

First of all, I'd be shocked if any homosexual could be happy around you, considering your stance on the issue. I'd be pretty pissed off if someone decided to attack who I am and then go off on a rant about them being the victim. Of course, I know a handful of homosexual people, and they are all perfectly fine with who they are, sexually and otherwise. It probably helps that they live and go to school in a place that accepts them for who they are and doesn't demand that they change to fit the "norm."

Homosexuality isn't forced down anyone's throats. To be honest, there aren't more gay teens, they just happen to be growing up in an era with less stigma being placed upon their sexual orientations, one that doesn't think they have a mental disorder if they come out.

My problem is I have to be really careful where I voice my opinions about this or I will be attacked and called hateful,bigot,closeminded, and much more. I have eve been called a KKK member and a breeder with a littler of kids. That is how hateful these people are when believe differently.

If you voice your opinions like you did on this post, I understand why you were verbally attacked. See, you don't just believe differently. To be fair, I don't give a damn how you personally feel about being gay. I may disagree wholeheartedly, but to each his/her own. Problem is, you want everyone to believe your views, and you become offended when other people disagree. If you give hate in your views, you will receive it tenfold from certain crowds.

I wouldn't ask you to accept homosexuality, but here's a little advice: If you hate homosexuality and think it's a sin, then don't sleep with someone of the same sex. Stop expecting everyone to believe the same way you do, because like it or not, homosexuality has been around since the dawn of civilization and it isn't going away any time soon. It's not a choice, or a fad, a game, or a result of demonic possession. The Bible doesn't support that at all, you know.

Mitzy wrote:Who saw the show today about the out of control teen girl who blamed all of her out of control behavior on that she is gay? She admitted to liking guys and girls on the show and then Dr Phil pretty much told her she way gay and needs to accept it. That really bothers me. Teens experiment and often change their minds especially girls. Also from a Christian perspective it sounds like when she got involved with the lesbian girls that is when she started to spiral out of control. That behavior is damaging I do not care what anyone says. Homosexual behavior is damaging spritually and emotionally. I truly believe that she became demonicly oppressed after engaging in such activities. Which is making her confused, depressed, low self esteem, and more. it is not because she is a lesbian trying to cope in a world that doesn't accept her. That world view would like us to believe that but it is a lie. The reason homosexuals have those issues is because of their lifestyle not because the world does not accept them because lets face it the ones who get attacked are the people who call homosexuality a sin not the homosexuals. It just makes me so mad that so many confused teens are being convinced that they are gay because of some same sex attraction. Most teenagers experiment and when left alone about it they grow out of it so to say. When homosexuality is being forced down our throats and kids are being taught that they were born that way its no wonder there are so many so called teens coming out. I do not care what anyone says I do not know one homosexual that is truly happy with themselves. My problem is I have to be really careful where I voice my opinions about this or I will be attacked and called hateful,bigot,closeminded, and much more. I have eve been called a KKK member and a breeder with a littler of kids. That is how hateful these people are when believe differently.

Heavy-handed to say the least.

I agree with Ivellious.

While I too am Christian and have certain beliefs on homosexuality, my stance is that the bible is clear that the ACTS OF HOMOSEXUALITY are sinful and not that being a homosexual is any more sinful than being a sinful heterosexual. We must be accepting of our fellow sinners. Their sin is no more sinful than our own...even heterosexual sins. It is my belief that sin has so corrupted humanity that I accept the theory that homosexuals are born homosexual...and it's not that God created them that way. God didn't create sin in any of us. Remember that.
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I am just going to do a quick reply for right now I will get into more detail later.

I do truly believe that the homosexuals who get bullied in high school is an exageration. Maybe it was just my high school that was accepting and maybe social media is making it worse. What I am seeing is that all kinds of kids are being bullied not just the gay ones. My high school had a bi girl on the football team nobody cared. At my HS girls kissed other girls for attention and they did not get bullied it got them more boyfriends.

With that being said I can see now a little how my post last night could come across as being intolerant or whatever you want to call it. I have gay friends I am not going to put anyone down for it. Yes I will tell them I believe its a sin but that doesn't mean I am being hateful I say the same thing to my single friends that have sex with a lot of different people.

Yes I believe that a homosexual lifestyle is damaging to one's self. There is a reason why the Bible is so against it. I think the girl from the show yesterday was confused and it made me mad when Dr Phil told her to just accept it. There are many girls who change their minds later on, but I think it is damaging to tell teenagers who are curious or confused that they are gay they were born that way there is nothing they can do about it but accept it.

"True. But what about adults who only feel attracted to the same sex? No one "chooses" to feel attracted to anyone. People who are gay or bisexual don't "change their mind" one day and become gay/bi."

Some do most do not I will admit that. With all the research I have done I do not believe that people were born that way. Eventhis site says it is unlikely. If what I said about demonic opression then that explain why people who are gay do not change their minds and become straight. Satan has a hold of them and will not let them go until they find Jesus.

"Coming from a straight person, this is always baffling to me. Do you care to justify this statement at all? It seriously just sounds like total bias and bigotry without cause. I don't care if you think it's a sin, but you can't justify saying that being gay automatically damages a person in any way. What about the multitude of highly successful and happy gay people? What about the straight people who aren't happy and are spiritually/emotionally struggling? This statement is just so wrong it hurts to read it."

How many of them are on anti-depresants? I never said that straight people can't have issues. I have issues but its because of how I was raised and how horrible my family is. That is why I have low self esteem. I am not being biased according to the Bible and my belief in it sexual sins often lead to demonic oppression. I believe that is why the Bible is so strict on sexual sins.

"Most? I'd question that call there if you are referring to sexuality. Sure, teens experiment with lots of things, but I've never heard of someone I know just taking same-sex relationships for a test drive on a whim. The only ones who did? The ones who were and are still legitimately attracted to the same sex. They haven't grown out of it, they didn't start because it was a fad..."

For one most do because it is a fad there was a school around where I live where most of the girls were so called lesbians. I say at least they are not pregnant but you can't tell me that every single one of them was born that way. It is fad it is a way of getting attention and teens thrive on attention good or bad. Also again once engaged in that behavior it becomes an addiction because of the demonic oppression. It is just like any other addiction. I myself and my friends and other people I know have experimented in school it was fun and especially got attention from guys. My cousin when in HS was in a lesbian relationship but that did not last and after that she dated men and the family was accepting of her.

"Homosexuality isn't forced down anyone's throats. To be honest, there aren't more gay teens, they just happen to be growing up in an era with less stigma being placed upon their sexual orientations, one that doesn't think they have a mental disorder if they come out."

Yeah I am sorry I just do not believe that. Yes it is being forced down everyone's throats. If you say it is sin you are hateful and closeminded. I do not care so much about what sexual preferance one has. What I do have a problem is people making false claims that there is proof and it is a fact that people are born that way. I also have a problem with teaching that to kids who when left alone about it would probably grow out of it. A lot of teens have same sex attraction but that doesn't mean they are gay. I used to be attracted to girls why not they are beautiful and sensual and I can still appreciate a good looking woman but that doesn't mean I am going to jump in bed with one now. One I am married and two I do know that God would not want me to do that. I have read and heard on the news how the liberals are trying to indocterinate children about homosexuality. Why not just teach them not to bully anyone for being different. They do not have to tell them that people are born that way when there is no prood. I heard of a first grade teacher taking her class on a field trip to her gay wedding. I hear that another gay teacher said how she talks to her students about gay sex and tells them details about toys and such. I hear about homosexual books in school libraries that have explicit details and pornagraphic images. A child would not even be able to buy a book like that a book store because you have to be 18 to buy certain books. This is what I have a problem with not gay people in general. I think they need Jesus but I am not going to force that on them.

I wouldn't ask you to accept homosexuality, but here's a little advice: If you hate homosexuality and think it's a sin, then don't sleep with someone of the same sex. Stop expecting everyone to believe the same way you do, because like it or not, homosexuality has been around since the dawn of civilization and it isn't going away any time soon. It's not a choice, or a fad, a game, or a result of demonic possession. The Bible doesn't support that at all, you know.Ivellious"

I usually get attacked for defending others by saying just because they believe its a sin doesn't mean they are being hateful. I also have gotten attacked by just saying that I believe people are not born that way and if some chance they are it is an abnormality or imbalance. That is coming from what I read on there own sites. They claim its a hormonal imbalance but when I say it I am hateful. Everything else you said about it not being a choice or fad or a game that is your opinion. I did not say demonic possession I said oppression there is a difference. When we sin we let Satan in and have control over that part of our lives. Now I would not say that on a non Christian site. I do know I can't expect non-Christians to believe what the Bible says is right or wrong.

About the Dr Phil show I saw yesterday gay or not that girl has issues and it did seem like she was trying to blame all of her actions on being gay. That is not an excuse to do drugs and to wreck 3 cars and to be disrespectful to her parents. She was acting like a selfish brat and to get people off her back she says its because I am gay and everyone bought into it. Oh she is gay that poor girl she is so brave. She is a manipulateive brat that knew what to say to get people off her back. I do know teenagers. I was one but I had other excuses I used to get out of trouble. Because my mother was horrible I had my counselor and the asst princible eating out of the palm of my hand. They did not want to have my mother go up there and act like trash so I got away with a lot. I could bring on the tears whenever I wanted. So I was upset that Dr Phil fell for that bs.

A teenage girl rebelling?
Dr Phil saying crap?
Impossible !!

Demonic Oppression is the term used to represent the “pressure” exerted by demons to get us to sin, to keep us involved in sin, to blind us to God’s truth and/or to keep us bound in limitations. Usually demons have an open door to gain access to us.

http://restoringyourlife.org/resources/ ... vity1.html

Mitzy wrote:Demonic Oppression is the term used to represent the “pressure” exerted by demons to get us to sin, to keep us involved in sin, to blind us to God’s truth and/or to keep us bound in limitations. Usually demons have an open door to gain access to us.

http://restoringyourlife.org/resources/ ... vity1.html

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
Most of these "reality" shows ate nothing of the sort, you know that right?

I actually had some respect for Dr Phil he seemed like he really does care and want to help people and mostly kids. Now it seems like he has fallen in line with liberal media and can not go against the popular beliefs. Also lately he has been really attacking parents and not letting them get a word in.

I actually watched a full Dr. Phil show the other day, and it was really good. A mother in law, accused her daughters ex boyfriend of sexually molesting their little girl. Dr Phil thought all along that the MIL made up the whole story to get back at her daughter's ex. He couldn't see his daughter without someone else there watching. He couldn't even hug his own daughter, because of the accusations against him. In the end, after the polygraph tests, the truth came out. The old lady made up the whole thing. Dr. Phil helped reconcile the dad, with his daughter. It was actually quite moving.

RickD wrote:I actually watched a full Dr. Phil show the other day, and it was really good. A mother in law, accused her daughters ex boyfriend of sexually molesting their little girl. Dr Phil thought all along that the MIL made up the whole story to get back at her daughter's ex. He couldn't see his daughter without someone else there watching. He couldn't even hug his own daughter, because of the accusations against him. In the end, after the polygraph tests, the truth came out. The old lady made up the whole thing. Dr. Phil helped reconcile the dad, with his daughter. It was actually quite moving.

When it comes to claims of child molestation he does help and does a good job I will give him props for that.

Mitzy wrote:"True. But what about adults who only feel attracted to the same sex? No one "chooses" to feel attracted to anyone. People who are gay or bisexual don't "change their mind" one day and become gay/bi."

Some do most do not I will admit that. With all the research I have done I do not believe that people were born that way. Eventhis site says it is unlikely. If what I said about demonic opression then that explain why people who are gay do not change their minds and become straight. Satan has a hold of them and will not let them go until they find Jesus.

"Coming from a straight person, this is always baffling to me. Do you care to justify this statement at all? It seriously just sounds like total bias and bigotry without cause. I don't care if you think it's a sin, but you can't justify saying that being gay automatically damages a person in any way. What about the multitude of highly successful and happy gay people? What about the straight people who aren't happy and are spiritually/emotionally struggling? This statement is just so wrong it hurts to read it."

How many of them are on anti-depresants? I never said that straight people can't have issues. I have issues but its because of how I was raised and how horrible my family is. That is why I have low self esteem. I am not being biased according to the Bible and my belief in it sexual sins often lead to demonic oppression. I believe that is why the Bible is so strict on sexual sins.

"Most? I'd question that call there if you are referring to sexuality. Sure, teens experiment with lots of things, but I've never heard of someone I know just taking same-sex relationships for a test drive on a whim. The only ones who did? The ones who were and are still legitimately attracted to the same sex. They haven't grown out of it, they didn't start because it was a fad..."

For one most do because it is a fad there was a school around where I live where most of the girls were so called lesbians. I say at least they are not pregnant but you can't tell me that every single one of them was born that way. It is fad it is a way of getting attention and teens thrive on attention good or bad. Also again once engaged in that behavior it becomes an addiction because of the demonic oppression. It is just like any other addiction. I myself and my friends and other people I know have experimented in school it was fun and especially got attention from guys. My cousin when in HS was in a lesbian relationship but that did not last and after that she dated men and the family was accepting of her.

"Homosexuality isn't forced down anyone's throats. To be honest, there aren't more gay teens, they just happen to be growing up in an era with less stigma being placed upon their sexual orientations, one that doesn't think they have a mental disorder if they come out."

Yeah I am sorry I just do not believe that. Yes it is being forced down everyone's throats. If you say it is sin you are hateful and closeminded. I do not care so much about what sexual preferance one has. What I do have a problem is people making false claims that there is proof and it is a fact that people are born that way. I also have a problem with teaching that to kids who when left alone about it would probably grow out of it. A lot of teens have same sex attraction but that doesn't mean they are gay. I used to be attracted to girls why not they are beautiful and sensual and I can still appreciate a good looking woman but that doesn't mean I am going to jump in bed with one now. One I am married and two I do know that God would not want me to do that. I have read and heard on the news how the liberals are trying to indocterinate children about homosexuality. Why not just teach them not to bully anyone for being different. They do not have to tell them that people are born that way when there is no prood. I heard of a first grade teacher taking her class on a field trip to her gay wedding. I hear that another gay teacher said how she talks to her students about gay sex and tells them details about toys and such. I hear about homosexual books in school libraries that have explicit details and pornagraphic images. A child would not even be able to buy a book like that a book store because you have to be 18 to buy certain books. This is what I have a problem with not gay people in general. I think they need Jesus but I am not going to force that on them.

I wouldn't ask you to accept homosexuality, but here's a little advice: If you hate homosexuality and think it's a sin, then don't sleep with someone of the same sex. Stop expecting everyone to believe the same way you do, because like it or not, homosexuality has been around since the dawn of civilization and it isn't going away any time soon. It's not a choice, or a fad, a game, or a result of demonic possession. The Bible doesn't support that at all, you know.Ivellious"

I usually get attacked for defending others by saying just because they believe its a sin doesn't mean they are being hateful. I also have gotten attacked by just saying that I believe people are not born that way and if some chance they are it is an abnormality or imbalance. That is coming from what I read on there own sites. They claim its a hormonal imbalance but when I say it I am hateful. Everything else you said about it not being a choice or fad or a game that is your opinion. I did not say demonic possession I said oppression there is a difference. When we sin we let Satan in and have control over that part of our lives. Now I would not say that on a non Christian site. I do know I can't expect non-Christians to believe what the Bible says is right or wrong.

About the Dr Phil show I saw yesterday gay or not that girl has issues and it did seem like she was trying to blame all of her actions on being gay. That is not an excuse to do drugs and to wreck 3 cars and to be disrespectful to her parents. She was acting like a selfish brat and to get people off her back she says its because I am gay and everyone bought into it. Oh she is gay that poor girl she is so brave. She is a manipulateive brat that knew what to say to get people off her back. I do know teenagers. I was one but I had other excuses I used to get out of trouble. Because my mother was horrible I had my counselor and the asst princible eating out of the palm of my hand. They did not want to have my mother go up there and act like trash so I got away with a lot. I could bring on the tears whenever I wanted. So I was upset that Dr Phil fell for that bs.

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So Mitzy, You believe every person that claims they are homosexual is making that claim from choice? You're suggesting that people actually choose to be discriminated against or be hated just to make social waves?

I say this; Sin has so corrupted the human race that I believe it quite possible that a person can be born homosexual...no more a sinner than a heterosexual.
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BavarianWheels wrote:So Mitzy, You believe every person that claims they are homosexual is making that claim from choice? You're suggesting that people actually choose to be discriminated against or be hated just to make social waves?

I say this; Sin has so corrupted the human race that I believe it quite possible that a person can be born homosexual...no more a sinner than a heterosexual.
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Good point we are all born sinners right so why not.

Look, yeah, I don't doubt that some girls (probably much more often than boys) might find it fun or attractive to pretend to be a lesbian. I don't think it is particularly common, but sure, I can see it. But those girls aren't likely really doing it out of attraction or desire.

The girl on Dr. Phil seriously sounds like she did not simply choose to become a lesbian and that it caused all her issues. To me, it sounds like you wanted Dr. Phil to just say "Yes! Clearly all your problems in life are because you are gay." See, to me, she was blaming bad decisions on a part of herself (being gay) that she had not yet come to terms with. Dr. Phil was saying that rather than not dealing with her issues and just blaming them on her sexuality, she needed to accept that she was attracted to girls and then actually start to solve the problems she was having. He was encouraging her to stop playing "victim" and do something about her decisions. Why is that so wrong?