"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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sorry if it comes across as such to some but never ever so intended - could it just be my long time old time religion outlook on Christianity and sanity being threatened - twincSilvertusk wrote:twinc - Could you prehaps lighten the tone of your post please - you are approaching this with an air of smugness and arrogance which is unChristian. Please be nicer.
Silvertusk.
continued = the Thinker/Seer/Designer say no to evolution = a further objection may be made that a thing may exist in some remote untrodden part of the globe where nobody has ever pereived it and where nobody is ever likely to perceive it.Here the reply is that wherever the thing may be,it cannot be discussed as existent unless it is thought of,unless it is mentally pictured,and it cannot so be pictured unless we regard it as perceived by ourselves or by some unconsciously assumed imaginary observer.Similarly,if it be objected that it is easy to imagine a scene like the North Pole,where no observer is likely to be present but where great masses of ice exist and are known to exist,despite the non presence of anyone to see the ice,walk upon it,to feel its coldness and admire its white purity,the answer is that in thinking of the Polar region and of the ice that fills it we have not actually kept out an observer but have actually,though unconsciously,brought him to the scene to note its details.We have imagined an observer but are quite unawre of having done so - we have brought his mind there and made him think of the scene - the solid ice is known to be solid only because our unseen spectator feels its resistance beneath his feet - the world as idea exists for some mind or it cannot exist at all.Nothing has ever been known and nothing can ever be known apart from a knower[and here I would add Thinker or Designer].This is incontrovertible. No object can exist alone and unknown.Those therefore-and they are in the vast majority - who believe and assert that a thing can possess a seperate existence of its own are talking nonsense - thus the final conclusion is that look where we will,in the universe everything is because it is thought of [Dr.Paul Brunton]- by a Thinker and Designer - twinctwinc wrote:Could it just possibly be that somewhere,somehow "there blooms a flower unseen and wastes its sweetness on the desert air" - I await flawed assumptions and presumptions to be corrected and put back on the derailed track so there will be no excuse to come home - twinc
The Thinker/Knower/Designer say no to Evolution - twinctwinc wrote:continued = the Thinker/Seer/Designer say no to evolution = a further objection may be made that a thing may exist in some remote untrodden part of the globe where nobody has ever pereived it and where nobody is ever likely to perceive it.Here the reply is that wherever the thing may be,it cannot be discussed as existent unless it is thought of,unless it is mentally pictured,and it cannot so be pictured unless we regard it as perceived by ourselves or by some unconsciously assumed imaginary observer.Similarly,if it be objected that it is easy to imagine a scene like the North Pole,where no observer is likely to be present but where great masses of ice exist and are known to exist,despite the non presence of anyone to see the ice,walk upon it,to feel its coldness and admire its white purity,the answer is that in thinking of the Polar region and of the ice that fills it we have not actually kept out an observer but have actually,though unconsciously,brought him to the scene to note its details.We have imagined an observer but are quite unawre of having done so - we have brought his mind there and made him think of the scene - the solid ice is known to be solid only because our unseen spectator feels its resistance beneath his feet - the world as idea exists for some mind or it cannot exist at all.Nothing has ever been known and nothing can ever be known apart from a knower[and here I would add Thinker or Designer].This is incontrovertible. No object can exist alone and unknown.Those therefore-and they are in the vast majority - who believe and assert that a thing can possess a seperate existence of its own are talking nonsense - thus the final conclusion is that look where we will,in the universe everything is because it is thought of [Dr.Paul Brunton]- by a Thinker and Designer - twinctwinc wrote:Could it just possibly be that somewhere,somehow "there blooms a flower unseen and wastes its sweetness on the desert air" - I await flawed assumptions and presumptions to be corrected and put back on the derailed track so there will be no excuse to come home - twinc