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reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:17 pm
by sandy_mcd
http://www.sciencenewsline.com/articles ... 60007.html
Team Reverse Engineers a Jellyfish with the Ability to Swim
thanks to recent advances in bio-inspired engineering, a team led by researchers at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) and Harvard University have flipped that fable on its head: turning a solid element—silicon—and muscle cells into a freely swimming "jellyfish." ...
Because a particular function—swimming, say—doesn't necessarily emerge just from copying every single element of a swimming organism into a design, "our idea," she says, "was that we would make jellyfish functions—swimming and creating feeding currents—as our target and then build a structure based on that information." ...
Jellyfish are believed to be the oldest multi-organ animals in the world, possibly existing on Earth for the past 500 million years. Because they use a muscle to pump their way through the water, their function—on a very basic level—is similar to that of a human heart, which makes the animal a good biological system to analyze for use in tissue engineering. ...
"I was surprised that with relatively few components—a silicone base and cells that we arranged—we were able to reproduce some pretty complex swimming and feeding behaviors that you see in biological jellyfish," says Dabiri, with fluid-dynamics measurements that match up to those of the real animal. ...
This advance in bio-inspired engineering, the team says, demonstrates that it is inadequate to simply mimic nature: the focus must be on function. ...
Yet still:
"I'm pleasantly surprised at how close we are getting to matching the natural biological performance, but also that we're seeing ways in which we can probably improve on that natural performance. The process of evolution missed a lot of good solutions."
What is it going to take for these knuckle heads to recognize design? You'd think that all these engineering types would see that right away. But if the experts in in those fields don't see it, perhaps i can be excused for missing the boat as well.

Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:54 pm
by Gman
sandy_mcd wrote:What is it going to take for these knuckle heads to recognize design? You'd think that all these engineering types would see that right away. But if the experts in in those fields don't see it, perhaps i can be excused for missing the boat as well.
You are right, they are knuckle heads.. I would say that they would be good candidates for the Discovery Institute too.. Our true workers for ID. Thank you..

"our idea," she says, "was that we would make jellyfish functions—swimming and creating feeding currents—as our target and then build a structure based on that information."

Building structures based on pre-exsisitng data and reproducing some pretty complex swimming and feeding behaviors.. How? By using intellect or ID.

Sign them up. ;)

Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:58 pm
by 1over137
sandy_mcd wrote:But if the experts in in those fields don't see it, perhaps i can be excused for missing the boat as well.
NO. Follow your own heart and your own brain.

Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:02 pm
by RickD
1over137 wrote:
sandy_mcd wrote:But if the experts in in those fields don't see it, perhaps i can be excused for missing the boat as well.
NO. Follow your own heart and your own brain.
Hana, do I sense a slight mocking by you in the God and Science part of the G&S forum? :poke:

Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:16 pm
by 1over137
Does that sound like mocking? I try to read it that way but am unable. (and haven't used any laughing smiley)

Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:16 am
by RickD
1over137 wrote:Does that sound like mocking? I try to read it that way but am unable. (and haven't used any laughing smiley)
Hana, I sensed a very slight twinge of mocking. A teeny tiny twinge. :lol:

Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:12 am
by jlay
What is it going to take for these knuckle heads to recognize design? You'd think that all these engineering types would see that right away. But if the experts in in those fields don't see it, perhaps i can be excused for missing the boat as well.
Romans 1:18,19,20,21,22,23

Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:03 pm
by Furstentum Liechtenstein
sandy_mcd wrote:What is it going to take for these knuckle heads to recognize design? You'd think that all these engineering types would see that right away. But if the experts in in those fields don't see it, perhaps i can be excused for missing the boat as well.
Yeah, yeah, I forgive you for being a knucle head, Sandy. Now...I'm still waiting for the billion dollars you promised me. My Rolls Royce Phantom is being delivered soon and I need that money.

FL

Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:57 pm
by sandy_mcd
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:I'm still waiting for the billion dollars you promised me. My Rolls Royce Phantom is being delivered soon and I need that money. FL
First of all, I never promised you the money; i merely asked if you would risk your immortal soul for earthly rewards. But if you have already ordered the Rolls (why not a Bugatti or at least something fun to drive?) and you are willing to risk eternal damnation, i can send you a bit more (i wouldn't take that bet):


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Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:04 pm
by Furstentum Liechtenstein
One Trillion Dollars from the Bank of ZIMBABWE?

What will that get me? a loaf of bread? STALE bread?!

I was assuming $1 000 000 000 United States Dollars. Okay, Okay, I'll order a Bugatti if you insist :crying:

FL I'm too old for a Bugatti

Re: reverse engineering the jellyfish

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:30 pm
by sandy_mcd
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:One Trillion Dollars from the Bank of ZIMBABWE?

What will that get me? a loaf of bread? STALE bread?!
Not even that.
Morel: It pays to read the fine print when gambling with one's soul.