Evidence for God from Science

Exodus 11:9-10:
"9 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Pharaoh will not listen to you, so that My wonders will be multiplied in the land of Egypt.”
10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh; yet the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not let the sons of Israel go out of his land. "

Well, Pharaoh did not listen to them because Lord hardened his heart? Sounds horrible, like He wanted to kill the firstborn so that His 'wonders will be multiplied in the land of Egypt'. Ach.

I do not know if I am posting currently too much hard stuff. It's because my friend is bombarding me with OT.

Hana, I think we have a bunch of topics here that talk about God hardening people's hearts.
Here's one:http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... en#p127628

RickD wrote:Hana, I think we have a bunch of topics here that talk about God hardening people's hearts.
Here's one:http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... en#p127628

Rick, I viewed the link. But read verse 9.

1over137 wrote:Exodus 11:9-10:
"9 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Pharaoh will not listen to you, so that My wonders will be multiplied in the land of Egypt.”
10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh; yet the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not let the sons of Israel go out of his land. "

Well, Pharaoh did not listen to them because Lord hardened his heart? Sounds horrible, like He wanted to kill the firstborn so that His 'wonders will be multiplied in the land of Egypt'. Ach.

I do not know if I am posting currently too much hard stuff. It's because my friend is bombarding me with OT.

Point to ponder:

Whose heart, as a human being, has not been hardened by sin?

Was Pharaoh a sinner or saint?

We forget that there are people out there who prefer the hardness of sin over the salvation the Lord brings and with such folk, God can do with as he deems best.
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Ok. But it's not about Pharaoh only. It's about the firstborn and their killing. Look at the verse 9. Who is responsible? God or Pharaoh?

1over137 wrote:Ok. But it's not about Pharaoh only. It's about the firstborn and their killing. Look at the verse 9. Who is responsible? God or Pharaoh?

One can NOT remove God's responsibility from this act.
It is clear per per Exodus that God killed the first born of Egypt.
It seems by implication of what was written that God wanted to make an example of Pharoah and the Egyptians because of the centuries of Bondage.
One can only imagine how many Hebrew first borns were killed under Egyptian rule...
It seems clear that God made it so that the death of the first born of Egypt was inevitable.

PaulSacramento wrote:

1over137 wrote:Ok. But it's not about Pharaoh only. It's about the firstborn and their killing. Look at the verse 9. Who is responsible? God or Pharaoh?

One can NOT remove God's responsibility from this act.
It is clear per per Exodus that God killed the first born of Egypt.
It seems by implication of what was written that God wanted to make an example of Pharoah and the Egyptians because of the centuries of Bondage.
One can only imagine how many Hebrew first borns were killed under Egyptian rule...
It seems clear that God made it so that the death of the first born of Egypt was inevitable.

Was killing of firstborn really necessary? Could not he kill Pharaoh only, for example? What you mean by the last sentence?

1over137 wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

1over137 wrote:Ok. But it's not about Pharaoh only. It's about the firstborn and their killing. Look at the verse 9. Who is responsible? God or Pharaoh?

One can NOT remove God's responsibility from this act.
It is clear per per Exodus that God killed the first born of Egypt.
It seems by implication of what was written that God wanted to make an example of Pharoah and the Egyptians because of the centuries of Bondage.
One can only imagine how many Hebrew first borns were killed under Egyptian rule...
It seems clear that God made it so that the death of the first born of Egypt was inevitable.

Was killing of firstborn really necessary? Could not he kill Pharaoh only, for example? What you mean by the last sentence?

Could God have liberated the Hebrews without the killing of the first born of Egypt?
Yes, of course, anything is possible for God, but that is NOT the correct question ( that is like asking could God of created the universe different than it is), the correct question is WHY did God have to resort to the death of the first born to make a statement strong enough for Pharaoh?
Killing Pharaoh would only have put another in His place.
One can argue that, IF God had NOT hardened Pharaoh's heart that he MAY have let the Hebrews go earlier, it almost seems to suggest that at times.
Of course letting the Hebrew go was onlY PART of God's plan, the other was to teach Egypt a lesson that they would not soon forget.