Discussion on God restoring broken dreams in heaven
Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:00 pm
Hello everyone, this issue has been one here lately has been on my mind and the worse things get in the world the more it nags at me. In fact I've discussed this very thing with Bippy as well and really like the response he gave. But I also want to share this with you all and see if there are any other views on this matter and to cross examine the view that me and bippy share on this issue.
The issue is about followers of Christ especially those who cannot achieve their life's goals and dreams in life either due to a early death, bad circumstances, lack of money, lack of opportunities or anything that would get in their way to achieve big goals.
And when I mean life goals I'm talking about things like getting to work their dream job. Or getting a spouse, getting married, having children, raising children, accomplishing something big for God, things like these.
This situation happens more often than not to many people. Just think of all the young people that have died way before their time and never got accomplish such things as marriage, parenthood, or accomplishing other big goals that they may have had. I mean, think of all the various people that died recently because of hurricane Sandy, or even hurricane Katrina, 9/11, or just fill in the blank as far as any major or minor tragedies past, present and even future.
Or for people like myself who are still young but are living in a age of increasing economic uncertainty. Because of all the potential disasters that could happen involving the economy, natural resources, the job market and other things it looks to me that people in my generation and other future generations will find it increasingly unlikely that they will get to experience much of the great "joys" in life like marriage and having children or just having enough to get by on because what is coming soon.
I for one also believe that one way or another God may end this current age of humanity and usher in His Kingdom so people like me and others just get shut out of experiencing certain things because when God says "time is up" time is indeed up.
What further complicates things is from what I've read in the Bible about the afterlife for believers we won't get to experience things like marriage, sex, romantic love, parenting, and possibly other good things because of how differently things will be re arranged once we are all there.
So to get down to the heart of my question, from what you all know will God try to "make things up" for His followers for dreams or things that they couldn't accomplish during their earthly life due to circumstances or things that were beyond their control?
Now me and Bippy seem to think so. I guess we get most of our ideas from Revelation 21:4 And surely since this is in the Bible God must really mean it because if we still have to live with the disappointment of not having to get to experience (thus and so *fill in the blank*) and have to be around other believers who if they still act like the same kind of people they do while here on earth I'm pretty sure they would try to "rub things in our faces" about what a good marriage or good family they raised or good whatever that they got to experience while the unfortunate others could not get to experience these things it would make heaven more like hell in some aspects. Just dealing with the disappointment alone would be enough to make heaven more like hell.
So surely there must be a way that God will change things around for us to somehow get the disappointment and anguish out of us. I guess there are a infinite number of ways that God can do this. In fact I can easily think of a few ways He could accomplish such a thing.
He could redo our brains in such a way that He would make us forget about our disappointments and failed dreams. He could create for us a "virtual world" so to speak that would allow us to "experience" what we couldn't do in this life.
Again those are just some ways that would work within our realm of thought, again God could do things that the smartest of humans could not even conceive of to help other get over these things.
But for me for instance the big thing that I don't think I'll be able to accomplish in this life is finding a good woman to marry. I really long to have a wife and possibly some children but I really REALLY want to find a spouse.
But because for one, I'm much older than most married people my age at least in my area. I"m 28 currently and most people from my generation get married like when they are 16,17 or 18. I don't know it's just this area I live in I guess.
Plus with very few job opportunities in my area I can't find a good steady job right now to be a good provider so that makes things tough. Plus, because of the major drug and METH problems in my area many of the single women that I have to choose from are violent drug addicts with the ugly tattoos and piercings and many are either atheists or just don't have any interest in Christianity or any kind of high moral standards.
And I can't just easily move somewhere else since I live in a small town and most of my family lives here and they like to keep all of us close together as much as possible so that looks highly unlikely. Plus with the bad economy with no end in sight with no good leadership in sight and with God possibly wanting to get the "show on the road" I think not only that dream of mine is shot but having my "dream job" and a professional auto racing photographer (on a non local level and as a full time job) is shot too.
But again I"m not overwhelmingly devastated over it. I'm devastated no doubt about it, but I know for one I"m in good company with a large group of people not only now but over the course of human existence, and plus there is the good possibility that God will indeed make things up to me and all His other followers in the eternal life to come.
The main area I want you all to discuss with me and each other is, one do you agree that God will do this and if so how do you think He will. And if you do NOT think He will do these please, explain why and please explain why God would want us to "suffer" more or less for eternity for not being either lucky, "blessed" or even talented enough to achieve these things we desire.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to seeing what you all have to say. Thank you all for your time, God bless.
The issue is about followers of Christ especially those who cannot achieve their life's goals and dreams in life either due to a early death, bad circumstances, lack of money, lack of opportunities or anything that would get in their way to achieve big goals.
And when I mean life goals I'm talking about things like getting to work their dream job. Or getting a spouse, getting married, having children, raising children, accomplishing something big for God, things like these.
This situation happens more often than not to many people. Just think of all the young people that have died way before their time and never got accomplish such things as marriage, parenthood, or accomplishing other big goals that they may have had. I mean, think of all the various people that died recently because of hurricane Sandy, or even hurricane Katrina, 9/11, or just fill in the blank as far as any major or minor tragedies past, present and even future.
Or for people like myself who are still young but are living in a age of increasing economic uncertainty. Because of all the potential disasters that could happen involving the economy, natural resources, the job market and other things it looks to me that people in my generation and other future generations will find it increasingly unlikely that they will get to experience much of the great "joys" in life like marriage and having children or just having enough to get by on because what is coming soon.
I for one also believe that one way or another God may end this current age of humanity and usher in His Kingdom so people like me and others just get shut out of experiencing certain things because when God says "time is up" time is indeed up.
What further complicates things is from what I've read in the Bible about the afterlife for believers we won't get to experience things like marriage, sex, romantic love, parenting, and possibly other good things because of how differently things will be re arranged once we are all there.
So to get down to the heart of my question, from what you all know will God try to "make things up" for His followers for dreams or things that they couldn't accomplish during their earthly life due to circumstances or things that were beyond their control?
Now me and Bippy seem to think so. I guess we get most of our ideas from Revelation 21:4 And surely since this is in the Bible God must really mean it because if we still have to live with the disappointment of not having to get to experience (thus and so *fill in the blank*) and have to be around other believers who if they still act like the same kind of people they do while here on earth I'm pretty sure they would try to "rub things in our faces" about what a good marriage or good family they raised or good whatever that they got to experience while the unfortunate others could not get to experience these things it would make heaven more like hell in some aspects. Just dealing with the disappointment alone would be enough to make heaven more like hell.
So surely there must be a way that God will change things around for us to somehow get the disappointment and anguish out of us. I guess there are a infinite number of ways that God can do this. In fact I can easily think of a few ways He could accomplish such a thing.
He could redo our brains in such a way that He would make us forget about our disappointments and failed dreams. He could create for us a "virtual world" so to speak that would allow us to "experience" what we couldn't do in this life.
Again those are just some ways that would work within our realm of thought, again God could do things that the smartest of humans could not even conceive of to help other get over these things.
But for me for instance the big thing that I don't think I'll be able to accomplish in this life is finding a good woman to marry. I really long to have a wife and possibly some children but I really REALLY want to find a spouse.
But because for one, I'm much older than most married people my age at least in my area. I"m 28 currently and most people from my generation get married like when they are 16,17 or 18. I don't know it's just this area I live in I guess.
Plus with very few job opportunities in my area I can't find a good steady job right now to be a good provider so that makes things tough. Plus, because of the major drug and METH problems in my area many of the single women that I have to choose from are violent drug addicts with the ugly tattoos and piercings and many are either atheists or just don't have any interest in Christianity or any kind of high moral standards.
And I can't just easily move somewhere else since I live in a small town and most of my family lives here and they like to keep all of us close together as much as possible so that looks highly unlikely. Plus with the bad economy with no end in sight with no good leadership in sight and with God possibly wanting to get the "show on the road" I think not only that dream of mine is shot but having my "dream job" and a professional auto racing photographer (on a non local level and as a full time job) is shot too.
But again I"m not overwhelmingly devastated over it. I'm devastated no doubt about it, but I know for one I"m in good company with a large group of people not only now but over the course of human existence, and plus there is the good possibility that God will indeed make things up to me and all His other followers in the eternal life to come.
The main area I want you all to discuss with me and each other is, one do you agree that God will do this and if so how do you think He will. And if you do NOT think He will do these please, explain why and please explain why God would want us to "suffer" more or less for eternity for not being either lucky, "blessed" or even talented enough to achieve these things we desire.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to seeing what you all have to say. Thank you all for your time, God bless.