Evidence for God from Science

Sam1995 wrote:within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:As for myself, my health is great and my only other deficiency is being Canadian.

Sam1995 wrote:Hi,

I'm not going to pretend that I have a vast understanding of God's nature, especially within areas like this! I guess that's why I've recently joined the forum, to learn and be encouraged by you all!

This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

Thanks, and God bless!

SB

This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

neo-x wrote:

This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

To be strict, no, there is no such answer which directly addresses the issue. I am not sure if sin created DNA, cell, gene, chromosome, virus or bacteria? if sin created these things then sin is God.

We can speculate that this has something to do with bodily imperfection then we have to assume that creation changed after the fall, physically...I do not think there is sufficient merit for such an assumption to be taken literally, though I know people do believe this.

Byblos wrote:

neo-x wrote:

This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?

To be strict, no, there is no such answer which directly addresses the issue. I am not sure if sin created DNA, cell, gene, chromosome, virus or bacteria? if sin created these things then sin is God.

We can speculate that this has something to do with bodily imperfection then we have to assume that creation changed after the fall, physically...I do not think there is sufficient merit for such an assumption to be taken literally, though I know people do believe this.

At the root of sin is intent. Without intent there is no sin.

Byblos » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:04 pm

neo-x wrote:
This is something I've been wrestling with for a couple of days now and I would love to hear some of your responses, within Christian theology is there an answer to babies being born with deficiencies, disabilities and diseases which are life threatening?


To be strict, no, there is no such answer which directly addresses the issue. I am not sure if sin created DNA, cell, gene, chromosome, virus or bacteria? if sin created these things then sin is God.

We can speculate that this has something to do with bodily imperfection then we have to assume that creation changed after the fall, physically...I do not think there is sufficient merit for such an assumption to be taken literally, though I know people do believe this.


At the root of sin is intent. Without intent there is no sin.

That original root of sin obviously comes from Adam and Eve in the garden

neo-x wrote: That original root of sin obviously comes from Adam and Eve in the garden
Yes, but is sin something which is in our DNA?

I don't believe so, it is an issue with your heart and with your soul, it is our soul which is corrupted because of the original fall of man in the garden. Now, that doesn't stop sin being able to have effects on your genetics, but sin does not effect your genetics directly. What I mean by that is this, everything wrong in this world could be originated from sin, and it is a result of the state that this planet is in that we have those poor children born with disabilities or defects, the original,INDIRECT cause is sin but the direct cause of the problem is genetics. This means that sin can effect genetics without actually being a part of genetics.

So no, it's a heart/soul issue, not DNA!

neo-x wrote:

I don't believe so, it is an issue with your heart and with your soul, it is our soul which is corrupted because of the original fall of man in the garden. Now, that doesn't stop sin being able to have effects on your genetics, but sin does not effect your genetics directly. What I mean by that is this, everything wrong in this world could be originated from sin, and it is a result of the state that this planet is in that we have those poor children born with disabilities or defects, the original,INDIRECT cause is sin but the direct cause of the problem is genetics. This means that sin can effect genetics without actually being a part of genetics.

So no, it's a heart/soul issue, not DNA!

I do not see how sin affect genetics. It has nothing to do with it. Unless God made every human by his own hands, like he did with Adam, disabilities would be logical and natural. So would be diseases. Again, did God made viruses and bacteria? if so what was their purpose before the fall? Could the Garden of Eden be affected by earthquakes? if it existed on this planet, yes it would.

I agree though that it is a matter of choice.

In terms of sin, I never said that it doesn't affect genetics. It does, but just not directly, you have to establish what I meant by the terms - direct and indirect.
Because of the fall of man, all people are now born into sin. It is a result of sin that the world is not in the state God had originally intended it to be in (the way it was in the garden of eden) in terms of the shape of the planet, where towns and cities are and things like that. A child being born with a disability is due to genetics, genetics are obviously effected by the parents who have the child. I'm not a biologist, so I don't know how a genetic defect happens in scientific terms, but I would take an educated guess that it has something to do with the fact that humans and the environment are not perfect because of sin, therefore sin indirectly effects our genetics.

Viruses and bacteria are a result of nature and the environment, which has been massively affected by man since the fall. Man is negatively effected by sin, and man has a negative effect on the environment. It's a ripple effect caused originally by sin.

I'm not a biologist, so I don't know how a genetic defect happens in scientific terms, but I would take an educated guess