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Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:25 am
by cubeus19
Hey guys,

I have this somewhat big question to ask. It has to do with the afterlife and how believers will get along with each other during that time. Specifically, I want to focus on believers who have had issues with other believers during this life that never get resolved or at least, not fully resolved.

How will two or more believers (assuming they are genuine believers) get along with each other and fully resolve their issues that began during "this life"? For example, take two guys, one is married and is a true follower of Christ the other, at first is a lost man who is a thief.

One day, he breaks into the nice guy's house and while stealing something, shoots and kills the man's wife. The thief is later caught and found guilty for murdering the guy's wife. The guy obviously is bitter about it, but the thief/ murderer later while serving life in prison, converts to Christianity and forgives the man and tries to ask him for forgiveness and even though the man whose wife was murdered knows he should as a believer, he just can't get himself to do so.

So flash forward a million years or whenever this current earth/human age is over and we are in eternity how would God get the man whose wife was murdered to like the guy who murderer? Assuming the two are both believers and both make it into heaven?

Another scenario would be two believers at a baptist church, one a deacon, the other a pastor, the deacon one day thinks people should be sprinkled instead of immersed when they are baptized. The two get into a heated argument, and they either almost get violent or they do get violent {depending upon your particular "taste" for drama ;) } with each other due to their passionate views on this topic.

Anyways, the guy who wants people to be sprinkled gets angry, takes 1/3 or 1/2 of the church and they go join a Methodist church or something. Either way both people are angry and bitter with each other until the end.

But again assuming they are both believers, true, genuine believers. In the afterlife, in God's kingdom, how does God resolve things from this life between the two? Will they just forget about it? Will they be close friends or like family members?

Or to expand this into a even bigger question and issue, what if it's true that if a person doesn't fully resolve conflicts with all people in this life before their life is over, will it effect their salvation? As far as I know as long as one asks God for forgiveness and everything is ok between that one person and God then that person alone should be ok.

Because after all, not all conflicts can be solved in this life. People lose touch with other people because of location, circumstances and so on. Plus, one person may be able to forgive while the other just can't seem to do it. And it's not just because the person who won't forgive is being difficult.

Well, it may be in some cases, but what if it's a case where a believer was raped by a priest or by a top member of some church when they were young? I mean, how can one forgive someone like that? Luckily I've never been in such a situation but I've heard the accounts of those who have and that's something that''s extremely difficult for a person to forgive.

But with like myself, I forgive others who have done me wrong but I"m not sure others will forgive me. Some of them, I know are believers or at least claim to be believers. If they don't forgive me am I in any trouble with God because the "conflict" is not "resolved"? That's what I"m unsure about and will these conflicts be resolved and laid to rest in the afterlife? That's all I"m asking.

Thanks guys!

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:37 am
by cubeus19
And I've got 200 posts! Yea!

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:15 pm
by 1over137
When a person is newborn, he is new person. So, other will probably look at him not as on a killer but as on a new person with new heart.

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:04 pm
by cubeus19
Great answer. :P

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:46 pm
by Silvertusk
cubeus19 wrote:Hey guys,

I have this somewhat big question to ask. It has to do with the afterlife and how believers will get along with each other during that time. Specifically, I want to focus on believers who have had issues with other believers during this life that never get resolved or at least, not fully resolved.

How will two or more believers (assuming they are genuine believers) get along with each other and fully resolve their issues that began during "this life"? For example, take two guys, one is married and is a true follower of Christ the other, at first is a lost man who is a thief.

One day, he breaks into the nice guy's house and while stealing something, shoots and kills the man's wife. The thief is later caught and found guilty for murdering the guy's wife. The guy obviously is bitter about it, but the thief/ murderer later while serving life in prison, converts to Christianity and forgives the man and tries to ask him for forgiveness and even though the man whose wife was murdered knows he should as a believer, he just can't get himself to do so.

So flash forward a million years or whenever this current earth/human age is over and we are in eternity how would God get the man whose wife was murdered to like the guy who murderer? Assuming the two are both believers and both make it into heaven?

Another scenario would be two believers at a baptist church, one a deacon, the other a pastor, the deacon one day thinks people should be sprinkled instead of immersed when they are baptized. The two get into a heated argument, and they either almost get violent or they do get violent {depending upon your particular "taste" for drama ;) } with each other due to their passionate views on this topic.

Anyways, the guy who wants people to be sprinkled gets angry, takes 1/3 or 1/2 of the church and they go join a Methodist church or something. Either way both people are angry and bitter with each other until the end.

But again assuming they are both believers, true, genuine believers. In the afterlife, in God's kingdom, how does God resolve things from this life between the two? Will they just forget about it? Will they be close friends or like family members?

Or to expand this into a even bigger question and issue, what if it's true that if a person doesn't fully resolve conflicts with all people in this life before their life is over, will it effect their salvation? As far as I know as long as one asks God for forgiveness and everything is ok between that one person and God then that person alone should be ok.

Because after all, not all conflicts can be solved in this life. People lose touch with other people because of location, circumstances and so on. Plus, one person may be able to forgive while the other just can't seem to do it. And it's not just because the person who won't forgive is being difficult.

Well, it may be in some cases, but what if it's a case where a believer was raped by a priest or by a top member of some church when they were young? I mean, how can one forgive someone like that? Luckily I've never been in such a situation but I've heard the accounts of those who have and that's something that''s extremely difficult for a person to forgive.

But with like myself, I forgive others who have done me wrong but I"m not sure others will forgive me. Some of them, I know are believers or at least claim to be believers. If they don't forgive me am I in any trouble with God because the "conflict" is not "resolved"? That's what I"m unsure about and will these conflicts be resolved and laid to rest in the afterlife? That's all I"m asking.

Thanks guys!

If you have asked forgiveness and repented of your sins - then the matter is closed, whether or not the other person has forgiven you or not. God can forgive all sins - because ultimately all sins are against him.

When we are in heaven - well I think any arguements we have on earth will seem insignificantly petty against the glory of God. And about the case of the murdered wife - well - if she had accepted Christ - then she will be in heaven as well and be experiencing an eternity of joy - and I bet you she has forgiven her murderer.

Its a good question, but I think any imaginings we have of heaven will not be anywhere close to the reality of it. God promises all tears will be wiped away and there will be no more conflict - I think we should take him on his word on that. :ewink:

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:51 pm
by neo-x
If you have asked forgiveness and repented of your sins - then the matter is closed, whether or not the other person has forgiven you or not. God can forgive all sins - because ultimately all sins are against him.

When we are in heaven - well I think any arguements we have on earth will seem insignaficantly petty against the glory of God. And about the case or the murdered wife - well - if she had accepted Christ - then she will be in heaven as well and be experiencing an eternity of joy - and I bet you she has forgiven her murderer.

Its a good question, but I think any imaginings we have of heaven will not be anywhere close to the reality of it. God promises all tears will be wiped away and there will be no more conflict - I think we should take him on his work on that.
May be heaven would have a memory erasing program...you know we'd be wiped clean. no more grudges...we will be only as angry as a box full of kittens. :mrgreen:

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:46 am
by 1over137
cubeus19 wrote:Great answer. :P
Glad it helped :)

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:16 am
by Silvertusk
neo-x wrote:
If you have asked forgiveness and repented of your sins - then the matter is closed, whether or not the other person has forgiven you or not. God can forgive all sins - because ultimately all sins are against him.

When we are in heaven - well I think any arguements we have on earth will seem insignaficantly petty against the glory of God. And about the case or the murdered wife - well - if she had accepted Christ - then she will be in heaven as well and be experiencing an eternity of joy - and I bet you she has forgiven her murderer.

Its a good question, but I think any imaginings we have of heaven will not be anywhere close to the reality of it. God promises all tears will be wiped away and there will be no more conflict - I think we should take him on his work on that.
May be heaven would have a memory erasing program...you know we'd be wiped clean. no more grudges...we will be only as angry as a box full of kittens. :mrgreen:

I hate cats.

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:19 am
by neo-x
I hate cats.
check my avatar... :mrgreen:

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:59 am
by Silvertusk
neo-x wrote:
I hate cats.
check my avatar... :mrgreen:

He looks like he is eating a bucket of teeth - that is one scary cat.

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:04 am
by 1over137
Silvertusk wrote:
neo-x wrote:
I hate cats.
check my avatar... :mrgreen:

He looks like he is eating a bucket of teeth - that is one scary cat.
Look at the writing on the bucket. It is eating corpses. :mrgreen:

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:17 am
by RickD
It's clear to me that the cat is an anti-Pontiff zombie cat. The writing on the bucket is clear to me. It says, "pope cornelius". That cat is eating a pope! That's sacrilege!!!!

Neo, what kind of avatar picture is that?!?!?!

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:28 am
by 1over137
RickD wrote:It's clear to me that the cat is an anti-Pontiff zombie cat. The writing on the bucket is clear to me. It says, "pope cornelius". That cat is eating a pope! That's sacrilege!!!!

Neo, what kind of avatar picture is that?!?!?!
Sacrilege. I learned new English word! :dancing:

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:40 am
by RickD
Look, I learned Slovak

zvláštne žena. :pound:

Re: Christians, the afterlife, and conflicts with others

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:46 am
by 1over137
RickD wrote:Look, I learned Slovak

zvláštne žena. :pound:
No, you have not! It is grammaticaly wrong!