Evidence for God from Science

Anyone here familiar with www.oldearth.org?

Philip wrote:Anyone here familiar with http://www.oldearth.org?

I was pretty familiar with them, a few years ago when I was doing my Old Earth Creationism research. Why?

Just happened across them. Thought someone might have been interacting with them.

As for the recent issues on carbon and dating of the earth's age, they have a listing of articles here: http://www.oldearth.org/radiometricdating.htm

While I've never interacted with them, I got a lot of info from the site when I was first learning about OEC. If I remember, they're more of an OEC/TE site. Although they did speak favorably of Hugh Ross.

RickD wrote:While I've never interacted with them, I got a lot of info from the site when I was first learning about OEC. If I remember, they're more of an OEC/TE site. Although they did speak favorably of Hugh Ross.

The website is mainly neutral when it comes to different Old-Earth positions, although it does put up articles supporting theistic evolution theologically along with answering some YEC misrepresentations of the theory. When regarding science, the website simply points to Talk Origins for info. I've been on it and it's a pretty good source for biology, but their objections to the Bible's inspiration are less than sound. On Hugh Ross, he does criticize him in a chart of different Old Earth beliefs. When talking about evolution, the founder, Greg Neymen, says this:

As a progressive creationist, I do not believe in evolution. However, it is a valid belief system, and Theistic Evolutionists are free to believe it if they choose. After all, it may be the correct theory, and we cannot be dogmatic in our condemnation of it.

I love this website. What I especially love about it is that he respects Young-Earth Creationists when he goes against their claims. Most sources I've found are very derogatory (and I don't blame them when they come across such psuedoscience) and ridicule their opponents a lot. I am certainly not a Young-Earth Creationist, but reading material like that feels unpleasant and does not make the author look very sophisticated.

but their objections to the Bible's inspiration are less than sound

And THAT should give ALL Christians pause for concern - glad you enlightened us on it, as this makes me wonder if they don't have far more faith in science than the Bible.

Philip wrote:

but their objections to the Bible's inspiration are less than sound

And THAT should give ALL Christians pause for concern - glad you enlightened us on it, as this makes me wonder if they don't have far more faith in science than the Bible.

The author of the site was apparently a Christian when he made it (he also made another website called Creation Crisis), but he later became an atheist. I saw a blog he wrote, and it's all the same dribble that you see from typical "ex-evangelicals." He also apparently doesn't know how to back up his claims. For example, on this blog he said that the Bible is loaded with contradictions, although he gave no examples. Why? Is he too afraid we'll take it apart? He also did not allow comments, but if he did I could have easily refuted all of it. (His "index of creationist claims" on Talk Origins also only does things with numerated points with only a sentence or two to back them up. My post has more content than them.)

They also had a rather poor answer to fine tuning: life evolved itself to fit the universe. This does not work because any form of evolution could not have happened if life did not exist in the first place. He also claimed that fine-tuning weakens the power of an almighty creator, even though there is no logical reason for God to have made a universe that does not support life in the first place only to populate it with life and constantly sustain it with a very, very long miracle.

Dudeacus, thanks for the additional illumination on this organization.

Philip wrote:Dudeacus, thanks for the additional illumination on this organization.

I'm not sure if it's an organization. It might just be one guy, but if it is it's just one guy with a lot of spare time. I might make a thread just on this website.

Dudeacus97 wrote:

Philip wrote:Dudeacus, thanks for the additional illumination on this organization.

I'm not sure if it's an organization. It might just be one guy, but if it is it's just one guy with a lot of spare time. I might make a thread just on this website.

If you do, post the link to your thread, please.